Nov 272012
 

“You nurse him 10 minutes on each side. If he still seems hungry after that, you give him formula.” – Postpartum nurse to mother, who asked about feeding her newborn baby.

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 November 27, 2012  breastfeeding, L&D Nurse, newborn  Add comments

  46 Responses to ““You Nurse Him 10 Minutes On Each Side…After That, You Give Him Formula.””

  1. Because we all know mothers only make enough milk for only 10 minutes worth of nursing.

    (This is not meant to be a slight to mothers dealing with insufficient milk. Please read it as a general case.)

  2. In what possible way does this remotely make sense?

    • Us silly women, our bodies are just SO broken and insufficient, my my, how did we EVer surVIVE without SPECIALIZED KNOWLEDGE to SAVE us from ourselves? (Specialized knowledge courtesy of Nestle Inc., that is.)

      I suppose that the postpartum nurse might have had physical problems producing milk herself, but in that case she was generalizing from a sample of one. Not a good basis for medical advice!

  3. BOOBY TRAP DEFINED!!

  4. ughh.. WHAT?

    I was told something like this with my second and i believed it at first.. Totally the start to the end of breastfeeding for me :(

  5. Yeah, that makes sense how?!

  6. Wrong, wrongwrongwrong, WRONG!! how about you nurse from one side until the baby stop. offer the other side. if baby doesnt take it, then start with that side at the next feeding ;)

    • Or, if you’re super lucky, they’ll go from side to side all day long and you have to chant to yourself, “This too shall pass,” as you remind yourself to not squeeze the baby too hard.

      • ummm that doesnt even work as sarcasm sorry

        • Hmm, sorry we have different senses of humor.

          • You made me giggle, Krista. I remember those days when I felt like ALL I did was nurse ALL day!

          • its not so much what you said, i got that, i had one with jaundice then another who started cluster feeding at 12 hours old, i hadnt even closed my eyes yet, both times i wanted to run away. it was more the way it was worded, the sentence to me just doesnt work as sarcasm or a joke, it came across (to me) as cold and very anti breastfeeding. sorry it would have been better to say nothing :/

          • It made me laugh too. I think Christie’s funnybone is broken. It came across to me, as a been there, survived that kind of thing…because I have been. :) Still happily breastfeeding my 2 year old. Never squished her. LOL!

        • After my second, who was a cluster nurser, and would nurse for 4-6 hours straight… This sounds about right. Sorry you don’t see the humor, or at least comiseration.

          • Commiseration! Thank you for supplying the right word. I knew it wasn’t humor, but it wasn’t completely straight-faced. Commiseration is the best description.

      • Made me giggle. I once nursed 8 hours straight! Hubby was in Afghanistan, and I had drank a gallon of water and still was dehydrated! Passed him off to mymom for 20 minutes and got a shower before he was inconsolable again and wanted boob.

        I understand why some would not find it funny though.

      • I can completely commiserate. I have a non-stop nurser. Side to side to side, mommy goes to bathroom, baby screams, mommy chugs water, side to side to side.

  7. WHHHHAAAATTTTTTTTT? The stupid HURTS.

  8. Babies need to be born in the hospital. You should be around people who know what they’re talking about during and the first days after birth. That way you give your baby the best head start in life.

    • I hope you’re being sarcastic because a baby doesn’t “need” to be born in a hospital, that’s why their are birthing centers and home births.

      • Totally sarcastic. She’s playing of a running comment with this site, that the medical profession tells us to birth in hospitals so we have the best care, but so many women get substandard care in hospitals. It’s ironic.

      • We frequently quote the hospital brochures and OB spokespeople who are telling us why homebirth with a midwife is sooooo 1800s. :-) It’s amazing how often the brochure and the OP quotes are strangely at odds.

      • Krista and Jane got it. ;)

  9. Hey guys,
    I am the OP.
    That incident happend to a family friend. We are located in Germany. She gave birth in the same hospital I did (which i will btw never step a foot inside ever again). They also fed my newborn formula without really asking me, but Thank God at 8 months we are still EBF.
    My mom talked to this friend’s mom just yesterday and sure enough she’s giving him formula.
    I am going to see her for the first time after birth in a few days and will try to help her to get rid of the formula. Any advice? What could she do? Drink mother’s tea? Nurse him more frequently? What else?

    • Well, first find out if she actually wants to exclusively breastfeed. If she wants to feed some BF and some formula, then wish her luck and talk about anything else. :-)

      If she wants to exclusively FF, then she can probably just cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and then let the baby nurse again however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side. As said above, nurse on Side A until full, burp, then offer Side B, and if he wants it — awesome. And if he doesn’t want it — wait until he’s hungry and then offer Side B.

      If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

      I’ve heard that oatmeal helps moms make more milk. Also heard that about dark beer, but I don’t know that I’d recommend beer (although you know….don’t Germans make the best beer in the world? Maybe someone there would know about that.)

      But tell her overall to ditch the clock and follow the baby’s cues. The same way she doesn’t time her own feedings (“Sorry! Five minutes — lunch is over!”) the baby doesn’t need timed feedings either. or at least, the timing should be an upper boundary rather than a lower boundary: “Try to nurse him *at least* every four hours and *at least* ten minutes per side” but not “Stop him at ten minutes and then when he’s still hungry, sabotage your milk supply.” :-b

      I’m sorry she’s going through this. So unnecessary.

    • First things first: find out if she actually wants to exclusively breastfeed. If she wants to feed some BF and some formula, then wish her luck and talk about anything else. :-)

      If she wants to exclusively FF, then she can probably just cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and then let the baby nurse again however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side. As said above, nurse on Side A until full, burp, then offer Side B, and if he wants it — awesome. And if he doesn’t want it — wait until he’s hungry and then offer Side B.

      If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

      I’ve heard that oatmeal helps moms make more milk. Also heard that about dark beer, but I don’t know that I’d recommend beer (although you know….isn’t Germany famous for the best beer in the world? Maybe someone there would know about that.)

      But tell her overall to ditch the clock and follow the baby’s cues. The same way she doesn’t time her own feedings (“Sorry! Five minutes — lunch is over!”) the baby doesn’t need timed feedings either. or at least, the timing should be an upper boundary rather than a lower boundary: “Try to nurse him *at least* every four hours and *at least* ten minutes per side” but not “Stop him at ten minutes and then when he’s still hungry, sabotage your milk supply.” :-b

      I’m sorry she’s going through this. So unnecessary.

    • First things first: find out if she actually wants to exclusively breastfeed. If she wants to feed some breastmilk and some bottled milk, then wish her luck and talk about anything else. :-)

      If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, then she can probably just cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and then let the baby nurse again however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side. As said above, nurse on Side A until full, burp, then offer Side B, and if he wants it — awesome. And if he doesn’t want it — wait until he’s hungry and then offer Side B.

      If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

      I’ve heard that oatmeal helps moms make more milk. Also heard that about dark beer, but I don’t know that I’d recommend beer (although you know….isn’t Germany famous for the best beer in the world? Maybe someone there would know about that.)

      But tell her overall to ditch the clock and follow the baby’s cues. The same way she doesn’t time her own feedings (“Sorry! Five minutes — lunch is over!”) the baby doesn’t need timed feedings either. or at least, the timing should be an upper boundary rather than a lower boundary: “Try to nurse him at least every four hours and at least ten minutes per side” but not “Stop him at ten minutes and then when he’s still hungry, sabotage your milk supply.” :-b

      I’m sorry she’s going through this. So unnecessary.

    • First things first: find out if she actually wants to exclusively breastfeed. If she wants to feed some breastmilk and some bottled milk, then wish her luck and change the subject. :-)

      If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, then she can probably cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and let the baby nurse again however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side. As said above, nurse on Side A until full, burp, then offer Side B, and if he wants it — awesome. Next time, start on Side B.

      If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

      I’ve heard that oatmeal helps moms make more milk.

      But tell her overall to forget the clock and follow the baby’s cues. The same way she doesn’t time her own feedings (“Sorry! Five minutes — lunch is over!”) the baby doesn’t need timed feedings either. Or at least, the timing should be an upper boundary rather than a lower boundary: “Try to nurse him at least every four hours and at least ten minutes per side” but not “Stop him at ten minutes and then when he’s still hungry, sabotage your milk supply.”

      I’m sorry she’s going through this.

    • First things first: does she want to exclusively breastfeed? If she wants to feed some breastmilk and some bottled milk, then wish her luck and change the subject. :-)

      If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, then she can probably cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and let the baby nurse however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side. As said above, nurse on Side A until full, burp, then offer Side B, and if he wants it — awesome. Next time, start on Side B.

      If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

      I’ve heard oatmeal helps moms make more milk.

      But tell her overall to forget the clock and follow the baby’s cues. She doesn’t say about herself, “Whoops! Five minutes — lunch is over!” and the same way, the baby doesn’t need timed feedings either.

      I’m sorry she’s going through this.

    • First things first: does she want to exclusively breastfeed? If she wants to feed some breastmilk and some bottled milk, then wish her luck and change the subject. :-)

      If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, then she can probably cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and let the baby nurse however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side.

      If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

      I’ve heard oatmeal helps moms make more milk. But I think the most important is to tell her overall to forget the clock and follow the baby’s cues.

      I’m sorry she’s going through this.

    • If this appears ten times, I’m sorry. I keep trying different variations to get rid of whatever trigger word is tripping moderation. I hope this is giving the site owner a serious headache because it certainly is giving me one.

      Make sure your friend really wants to exclusively breastfeed, and then if she does, offer suggestions. If she’s happy with a mixed feeding routine, then let it go. That’s her decision.

      If she wants to lose the bottles, then suggest she cut back gradually and offer feedings whenever the baby appears hungry, as much as he’ll take. Lose the clock. If she needs to, pump after feedings to boost her supply.

      For milk-producing foods, I’ve heard good things about oatmeal. :-)

      I’m sorry she got such lousy advice.

    • Mother’s milk tea, oatmeal, flax seed, and fenugreek all help with milk production. I’ve heard a lot of good things about the “24 hour breastfeeding fix”, if that is an option. Good luck!

    • The biggest thing to do is throw out the formula! I fell into that booby trap with my first child. “You don’t produce enough, give her formula.” When she was about 3 or 4 months, I got fed up and threw all the formula and bottles away. We survived without a problem. Turns out that when given the chance, I make plenty of milk. Her two younger brothers never got a drop of formula.

    • If this appears twelve times, I’m sorry. I keep trying different variations to get rid of whatever trigger word is tripping moderation. I hope this is giving the site owner a serious headache because it certainly is giving me one.

      Make sure your friend really wants to exclusively breastfeed, and then if she does, offer suggestions. If she’s happy with a mixed feeding routine, then let it go. That’s her decision.

      If she wants to lose the bottles, then suggest she cut back gradually and offer feedings whenever the baby appears hungry, as much as he’ll take. Lose the clock. If she needs to, pump after feedings to boost her supply.

      For milk-producing foods, I’ve heard good things about oatmeal. :-)

      I’m sorry she got such lousy advice.

    • Loads of skin to skin contact. Cuddle up in bed and just nurse nurse nurse! Drink loads of water and be patient.

      Damn booby traps piss me off! I’ve just decided to go back to school & get my RN and be a LC in a clinical setting to help mamas from being subjected to this kind of crap. It’ll take me years, but in that time I will get several years as an LLL leader under my belt & can get my IBCLC. Requierments done as well.

    • I just went through this. She should feed a bottle first, then have the child nurse after to comfort. That way baby learns that breast = satisfaction. After she feeds, pump. This way she can slowly eliminate formula and build her supply. She should feed the baby any expressed milk she has before formula. Then start slowly decreasing the amount of bottled milk (bm or formula) at each feed – like decrease 1/2 oz every few days. It works!!! Also, hand expression is incredibly important to building supply. It is exhausting but it helps. Oatmeal is also good for building mama’s milk.

    • Tell her when she does this he will seem very hungry and upset because he will be. But her body will respond to his frequent/constant nursing and make more milk.

    • Find your local Hebamme quickly. They know a lot about breastfeeding and can take a look at the issues your friend is facing. That must be some backwards hospital! My family is in Germany and their hospitals pushed breastfeeding big time!
      The sooner you can help your friend, the better. She might end up having to pump after each feed to encourage the body to make more milk. At any rate, get someone knowledgeable now. Hebammen are usually paid for by the Krankenkasse. Or find someone here: http://www.lalecheliga.de/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=401&Itemid=93

    • Ditto the skin to skin. If she can take a nursing vacation, great. Just get in bed, her and baby, with nothing but a diaper for baby and underwear for mom. Stay as long as you can. Have other people make food, do housework, etc. I fully understand that it’s no easy feat for some people, but it works very well.

      Also, you have to do it for as long as possible. A cousin told me the nursing vacation didn’t work for her at all, and she gave up after 6 hours. That’s not a nursing vacation!

  10. OP: I’m sorry but I can’t reply to the pink. I’ve tried about eight times with different variations and I can’t find the trigger word that’s sending it into moderation purgatory. So I’m trying outside the reply.

    First things first: does she want to exclusively breastfeed? If she wants to feed some breastmilk and some bottled milk, then wish her luck and change the subject. :-)

    If she wants to exclusively breastfeed, then she can probably cut back on the amount of formula offered after each feeding and let the baby nurse however frequently he wants, for as long as he wants on each side.

    If she’s having low supply issues, she could also try pumping after the feeding in order to boost her supply.

    I’ve heard oatmeal helps moms make more milk. But I think the most important is to tell her overall to forget the clock and follow the baby’s cues.

    I’m sorry she’s going through this.

  11. If this appears eleven times, I’m sorry. I keep trying different variations to get rid of whatever trigger word is tripping moderation. I hope this is giving the site owner a serious headache because it certainly is giving me one.

    Make sure your friend really wants to exclusively breastfeed, and then if she does, offer suggestions. If she’s happy with a mixed feeding routine, then let it go. That’s her decision.

    If she wants to lose the bottles, then suggest she cut back gradually and offer feedings whenever the baby appears hungry, as much as he’ll take. Lose the clock. If she needs to, pump after feedings to boost her supply.

    For milk-producing foods, I’ve heard good things about oatmeal. :-)

    I’m sorry she got such lousy advice.

  12. Completely ridiculous comment! My son nursed for an hour total EVERY SINGLE TIME until he was at least 6 months old. At 10 minutes per side, he would have starved!

  13. “What’s most important is to make sure baby doesn’t get any of that awful hindmilk. It will just make him fat!”
    Ridiculous!

  14. Just tell her to google booby trap. This method is sure to end nursing with the first growth spurt, and this nurse should be tarred and feathered!

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