Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“…You’re A Red Head, You Would Have Bled To Death.”
It’s a good thing you’re not going to have a home birth. You’re a red head, you would have bled to death.” – L&D Nurse to mother.
Is there any truth in this? I’m auburned hair and fair skinned, and my very intelligent, pretty crunchy doula said I was slightly more likely to hemorrhage. Please dont judge my doula without knowing the context, I’m just wondering if there have been any studies done that say that fair skinned redheads have a slightly higher chance of pp hemorrhaging?
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Kristin Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 6:32 pm (Quote)
I am blonde and I had to take lots or iron and even vitamin K to keep from excessive bleeding. I just don’t clot well.
I dunno if it’s something about red hair. I think it’s more about clotting factors.
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Knitted in the Womb Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 6:52 pm (Quote)
I’ve heard the thing about red heads bleeding more too, but I don’t know if it really is true.
I had red hair as a child, my brother has read hair, my mother, grandmother, and two of my kids. My hair has gone more blonde after my late 20′s.
I hemmorhaged in my first 3 births–the third was at home. But I’m still alive, and had NO BLEEDING with my 4th & 5th births where I insisted on delaying cord clamping until the placenta delivered. There is research to support this approach.
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Mama Wrench Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm (Quote)
It’s one of those old wive’s tales that’s kind of true, but not the way people think.
The gene that causes red hair may also make *some* redheads’ pain receiving nerves more receptive to pain. More pain = higher blood pressure = possibility of more blood loss.
Not necessarily true of all redheads, though — simply having red hair doesn’t predict whether you’re more or less likely to hemorrhage.
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Lisa in Texas Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm (Quote)
I’ve actually read this somewhere reputable (but I can’t remember where right now). Mama Wrench is right — it’s not necessarily true of all redheads. I have auburn hair, pretty close to red during the summer, and I had no problems with bleeding at 4 homebirths.
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Kate @ Modern Alternative Mama Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 4:33 am (Quote)
Maybe, although I’ve never heard it. Also I have dark red hair and had no bleeding issues/bled less than expected after three pregnancies (two home births). So, as others stated, not true for all.
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Michelle @ Simplify, Live, Love Reply:
June 7th, 2012 at 7:27 am (Quote)
I am a strawberry blonde – I had all 4 of my children at home. I did hemorrhage with my first pregnancy. That coupled with other issues forced a transport for both me and baby – both fine now. I needed 2 shots of pitocin and a shot of methergen (sp) to stop my bleeding before the ambulance arrived. I was told the same thing about redheads bleeding at the hospital, but the ironic thing is the OB who stitched me up said I didn’t hemorrhage at all, just bled from my tear. So NOT TRUE!! Anyhow, I had all 3 subsequent babies at home too, and we’re all still alive. Be cognizant of the fact that red heads can bleed more, take preventative dietary measures, talk about hemorrhage control with your midwife. Don’t worry about dying.
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Kaye Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 9:30 am (Quote)
If that were true, then I would have serious bled to death with all three of my homebirths! Bleeding is commonly due to the manual removal of placenta rather than waiting for a physiological third stage. I had very little postpartum bleeding. After first birth, two hours and 11 minutes to deliver placenta. After second an hour and five minutes. Third took 42 minutes. I am a natural redhead with extremely fair skin and I burn in the sun within 10 minutes without protection.
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Also:
Carrying high means a girl, low means a boy.
Lots of heartburn = TONS of hair on the baby.
You have to drink cow’s milk to make breast milk.
Cats kill newborns by sucking their souls out.
If you lift your arms above your head, the umbilical cord will strangle the baby. Also, if you wear a lei (like when you go to Hawaii) your baby will strangle.
You can’t swim during pregnancy, the baby will drown. (Yes, I have heard this one before).
If you look at an eclipse, your baby will have a cleft palate.
If you walk under a ladder, your baby will be tiny.
If you are having a girl and look haggard or tired all the time, it’s because the baby is stealing your beauty.
Any other completely out-dated and misguided hearsay you can think of regarding pregnancy or delivery?
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Kasondra Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 pm (Quote)
Really? I’m going to set up a ladder at my front door during my next pregnancy!
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road2vba2c Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 7:18 pm (Quote)
If you look at a dead person, your baby will be stillborn. I had a great aunt refuse to let my mom go to a funeral when she was pregnant with me because of this one…
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Lizzie K Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm (Quote)
Don’t buy everything needed for the baby before the birth or else the baby won’t survive. My aunt swore this one was true because she had everything for her daughter before birth and ended up with an infection that killed the baby soon after she was born. (which was caused by her water breaking a long time before labor started and doctors refusing to do anything) Several UK ladies on a forum I belong to also mentioned not buying the stroller or at least not having it at your house before the birth.
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Nica Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 4:32 am (Quote)
This belief is often cultural. I am of Italian descent and had no baby shower. In my family, they are considered very bad luck and a jinx. Maybe crazy, but even if I had one, no one in in family would have shown up! My Jewish friends don’t have baby showers either…
This seems to be waning as time goes on, but I can say that I have been to fewer than five baby showers in my 39 years as my family is Italian and a lot of my friends are Jewish!
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Lisa in Texas Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 6:25 am (Quote)
I didn’t want a shower before the baby was born with my first. I thought it was bad luck, too. My co-workers still threw one for me as did my family. I was really stressed out those last few weeks, though. between the showers and the birth. I wanted to wait until the baby was born and throw a sort of birthday party. It also drove my family nuts that I didn’t have any ultrasounds so there was no way to know the gender. They couldn’t stand having to buy only gender neutral colors; I told them that they didn’t need to buy anything! They could just wait until the baby was born and then buy something if they wanted to.
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Jenny Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 3:21 pm (Quote)
I can relate. I also got some schtick from family about not getting any ultrasounds and not knowing (or as one person was convinced, knowing but not telling them) the sex of the baby. “But how will we know what to buy?” It wasn’t a superstitious thing for me, I just wanted the surprise, but I have found I do feel a little uneasy about the idea of announcing to the world the baby’s sex before it’s born, and becoming really invested in having a boy or a girl. I always think “but what if the scan was wrong?” And I find announcing the baby’s name before it is born kind of unsettling. It’s not rational at all but it just feels like a bad idea to me.
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Amy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 5:52 am (Quote)
My aunt got superstitious after several miscarriages and one stillbirth. For her last pregnancy, she didn’t want any gifts, no baby shower and absolutely no pictures of her belly. I was a kid at the time and snuck one picture of her belly about a week before her perfectly healthy daughter was born. It was the only picture she had and she was thrilled when I found it years later
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Lisa Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 6:00 am (Quote)
I can’t see past the blinding WIIIIIIIINNNNN!!!!
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Kit Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 7:53 pm (Quote)
If Mom orgasms first, its a boy, if Dad does, its a girl.
If mom was on top during sex, its a girl, if Dad was, its a boy.
If mom eats watermelons she’ll have a boy, apples make a girl.
If mom is startled by a snake, she must bite the hem of her skirt or the baby will be mute. If she is started by a spider, same deal or Baby will be stillborn. (Because the spider strangles the baby maybe? I never understood those two)
Suspending a wedding ring on a strand of hair over the swollen belly will predict sex, but only if the child is legitimate.
Lay a pair of scissors or a knife beneath the birthing bed to “cut away” the pain of labor.
Don’t let baby see their relection of their “spirit twin” will steal their soul.
If a twin dies before birth, you must name it and speak to it for the first year of the other baby’s life, or it will haunt its twin for life.
A baby born in caul is lucky on a ship and will never drown. Also they can see spirits, kill vampires with a stare and cure cursed persons. (Theoreticly, they can also curse healthy people, but when i asked about this my uncle said it was true, my aunt said is certainly was not and not to give my cousin (who was born in caul) any ideas!)
Umm… I’m running out of these.
Oh! If the baby cries and coughs in its sleep, its being strangled by a malicious spirit. Let the cat into the room and it will scare away the spirit and give Baby peace.
A smiling baby who laughs or babbles when alone is playing with ghosts/angels. Don’t inturrupt or you’ll chase Baby’s friends away and their luck as well. A baby who does this is likely to be lucky and happy in life.
A baby who is born with their hand beside their brow will be a soldier and save lives. Beside the face and they will be sweet spoken and gentle. holding the cord means they will be a doctor/midwife and save other babies.
(All of these are used with love and affection to my aunt and uncle, or my father who knows billions of superstitions. Exceot for the last one. I can’t remember who told it to me, but its stuck around.)
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Kaye Reply:
July 24th, 2012 at 9:32 am (Quote)
I had an old Chinese lady nearly smack a cup of ice out of my hand on a NYC street in the middle of my 8th month of pregnancy during a heat wave in July. She said eating ice was bad for me because I would make a baby too big to deliver. I was HUGE and did have a ten pound baby but I’m sure the ice didn’t have anything to do with it.
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Because homebirth midwives can’t handle a hemorrhage. **rolls eyes** obviously all redheads nearly die when they have babies. Thank God I’m a blonde, so I didn’t bleed to death when my zombie baby was born.
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Missy Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm (Quote)
This is, I think, the most important point. Whether or not redheads bleed more than other women aside, this nurse thinks that a home birth midwife is a hippie/witch with no medical knowledge and no recourse for handling a hemorrhage. I wonder how shocked she’d be to learn that home birth midwives are equipped to deal with hemorrhage. Probably wouldn’t believe it. It is sad how completely uneducated about the true nature of home birth most medical professionals are.
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C.Pratt Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 pm (Quote)
I hemorrhaged with both of my home births, and both times my midwives handled it seamlessly. It came to my attention after that it probably would have been much worse in hospital with pitocen, due to uterine fatigue. I have clotting issues due to my blood type and high blood pressure, so induction very well could have killed me.
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sara r. Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 8:42 am (Quote)
My midwife runs a birth center and had a birth recently where a client lost 4 quarts of blood…and they still stabilized her enough to get her to the hospital safely, and she was okay.
(mom had an undiagnosed placenta accreta).
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Sada Reply:
June 6th, 2012 at 2:06 am (Quote)
Wait…*QUARTS* of blood, or pints? There’s only 6 quarts of blood in the human body, and generally about 20% of it is in your head/brain at any given time. Losing 4 quarts is more than 60% of your blood volume. A Class IV hemorrhage is anything greater than 40% of blood volume and requires aggressive resuscitation and an almost immediate total transfusion to replace RBC and volume…it’s not a matter of “stabilization” at that point.
4 pints would be 2 quarts, or about 33% of blood volume. That’s a Class III hemorrhage, which would still require volume replacement and RBC transfusion, but would certainly be possible to stabilize and transport someone and have them survive without lasting effects.
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If I remember correctly from a link someone posted last time there was a red hair comment…. it was a clotting factor issue, and red heads were slightly more likely to carry the genetic variant. But not ALL red heads carry it and others that are not red heads can carry it too. I hope I remembered it correctly!
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And if my red came from a bottle??
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Wendy Reply:
June 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 pm (Quote)
Then you’re 4x as likely than a natural redhead…
And you’re probably an unfit parent because you dye your hair. Obviously.
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Lizzie K Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm (Quote)
Then I am so out of luck. I started going gray in high school, so I figured as long as I was covering up the grays, might as well try something different. I originally went red because DH likes redheads (natural black hair) and kept it because I love it.
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The proof is in the pudding: does this nurse not give brown-haired women and black-haired women a hemlock or an IV because there’s little to no risk of them hemorrhaging after a birth?
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Knitted in the Womb Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 6:50 am (Quote)
LOL. Jane, you are slipping. I mean I understood when my poor hubby made the “hemlock” mistake in our first pregnancy, but you?
We do hope the nurse is NOT giving hemlock to any patients. But in my local area we had a nurse who had killed something like 20-30 patients with deliberate drug over-doses. None in maternity, but still…
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Knitted in the Womb Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 6:52 am (Quote)
Oh my…here I thought I might be over estimating how many patients he killed, so I Googled him. Turns out I was mistaken in how many people he killed, but my mistake was in guessing too LOW.
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Jane Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 7:43 am (Quote)
Damn you Autocorrect! It *was* typed at “heplock” but my husband upgraded my system recently and it’s started autocorrecting for me. It just did it again in the quotes and I had to manually retype it.
Thank you for pointing that out.
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Kristy Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 8:03 am (Quote)
Don’t you realize that computers are like doctors? They are smarter than you are and must save you from yourself. Never question them.
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Knitted in the Womb Reply:
June 4th, 2012 at 8:22 am (Quote)
LOL!
Some of the recent “Suri” commercials are creeping me out. “No Jane. I know how to spell. Stop correcting me Jane.”
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My red-haired great-grandmother birthed 12 children between the ages of 18 and 44, pretty sure all of them at home. She lived to see them all to adulthood.
Also, in my experience of growing up a redhead, generalizations about people with red hair tend to be either exaggerations, uninformed stereotypes or self-fulfilling prophecies.
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I recently overheard two OBs talking at the nurses’ station. One said: “I love redheads as people, but when they walk in to my clinic, I want to send them down the road! They always hemorrhage.” The other said: “And I love women who desire to VBAC and have these long birth plans because they are organized and know what they want… I just hate managing their labors because something always goes wrong.”
I just chuckled to myself because I am a red head with a history of hemorrhage who VBAC’d my almost 10 lb baby girl with a birth plan. They would hate me as a patient!
As far as the “pain receptors being more sensitive” thing for red heads goes, I did require an extraordinary amount of anesthesia during my c/s. I kept telling the anesthesiologist that I could feel pain and he argued back “no, you can’t. That’s impossible.” He had to up my epi many times before I was even close to comfortable.
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I am a redhead from a bottle. I had bleeding issues after both births. The birth photographer after my first made a comment about how redheads always bleed more. I waited until she left to laugh. A certain color hair dye made me bleed more? Really?
I do find the connections some of you have made to pain and anesthesia issues. I have incredibly strong reactions to both. Could there be a connection with my bleeding issues?
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I’m a redhead and my doctor prepared blood and an OR for me because I was redhead… just in case.
They are finding that being a redhead isn’t ‘just a color’ – there are genetic difference that can accompany it as well – higher bleeding risks are one of them. There is some science behind this one.
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I am a redhead, and I have never ever had a problem with blood clotting in all of my 29 years. Redheads may have bad veins, have a higher than normal pain tolerence, or need more anthesia in surgery than (don’t know if that is true, but I’ve heard that before) blonds or brunettes, but that is outragoius.
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I’ve been wondering how true this is… my first homebirth midwife, whom I considered a total flake, kept telling me that I needed to take alfalfa (still can’t figure this one out) because I was fair skinned and likely to bleed more. “All my fair skinned, red-headed, and Scandinavian ladies bleed a lot.”) She also claimed I was going to be more sensitive to pain for all these reasons. (Except, I’m not actually Scandinavian, and hardly red-headed….) But, strangely, I did hemorrhage. She quickly got it under control, but I’m worried the second time around. Is there really something to this? My mother (same skin, hair color) nearly died of a hemorrhage – had to have a hysterectomy and multiple transfusions. Also, despite the lidocaine, I was crying during the stitching. I’ve also woken up too soon during anesthesia, and found the first few weeks of nursing excruciating (midwife, again: “All my fair skinned, Scandinavian, red-haired ladies have that problem.”)
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Aunt4God Reply:
February 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am (Quote)
There’s many different things that can cause you to bleed more easily. I have hypermobility. It’s well known that bendys like me tend to need more pain meds and epidurals don’t usually work. I am also very fair skinned. I’m also not reading that she’s calling you red-headed or Scandinavian, just it’s a list…her fair skinned….her Scandinavian…and her red-haired ladies …..
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Jane Reply:
February 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am (Quote)
Ignore your skin color and hair color. Right now you’ve got both a personal and a family history of hemorrhage: consider yourself at risk of hemorrhage. Also make sure all anesthesiologists know you need extra care because you seem to resist it more. This has nothing to do with hair and skin color because it’s just you.
Now. I would suspect it has less to do with one’s specific hair and skin color as it does with the overall genetics of a given population. For example, let’s say there’s a gene that happens to turn up more often in Scandanavian people that makes them more prone to bleeding. Not necessarily dangerous, but just as a trait. And let’s say that there’s a gene that happens to turn up more often in Scandanavian people that makes them more likely to have red hair and fair skin. Well, given that, you’d probably find many people with the gene for bleeding would also have the genes for red hair and fair skin — just because they belong to the same overall population.
Now add in care providers who have an observer bias. A woman bleeds a lot and they check her hair. Red hair! Proof! Another woman bleeds a lot and she’s got black hair. Well, whatever, you take care of the hemorrhage. Another woman doesn’t bleed, so they barely notice the hair color. And then another woman shows up and bleeds kind of on the marginal side, and has red hair — PROOF!
See? It doesn’t necessarily mean redheads bleed more or that redheads resist anesthesia, but maybe there’s one factor that potentially relates to all three characteristics.
But still, your own personal history now overrides any prejudices about your haircolor or skin color. Please use caution.
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If this were true, then we wouldn’t have any redheads left. They would have all bred out a long time ago before pitocin was invented.
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Angela Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 6:55 am Angela(Quote)
Actually, I was told by my midwife that there are studies showing that the use of pitocin during labor seriously increases risk of postpartum hemorrhage. I asked because I am a redhead and I did have significant blood loss following the birth of my first child (using pitocin to augment)
Second birth, no pit, no significant blood loss.
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Bonita Reply:
July 5th, 2012 at 12:35 pm Bonita(Quote)
I was meaning pitocin as a reactionary measure against natural hemorrhage.
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