Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“In Chattanooga, God Doesn’t Decide When Babies Come.”
“In Chattanooga, God doesn’t decide when babies come.” – Nurse Practioner to first time mother after the mother asked about the OB’s induction policy.
Well, at least they’re being honest with her…..
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Really? ‘Cause a quick Google search says there are a lot of home birth midwives in Chattanooga. Or is it just that in this doc’s office WOMEN don’t get a choice what happens to them?
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This post really upsets me, I live in chattanooga, and am 31 weeks pregnant. Sadly there isn’t birth centers around here, and you are in the doctors hands. If a nurse said this to me, I would go off. I would really like to know which group/hospital this nurse is from.
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This was mine. I was already seeing a home birth midwife and did not tell this OB office that I was just coming here to appease my husband. I went for two visits starting at 20 weeks. The OB is actually not a bad guy to see in this town. He is a lot more open to waiting than most. I was curious about their induction rate and when I asked this particular nurse practioner, that was her response. I made next appointment and then proceeded to cancel it. They never called to ask why I never came back. I’ve now had two awesome homebirths. The home birth midwives in this town are fantastic.
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Jane Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 8:11 am (Quote)
I’m glad you got the births you wanted.
Was the nurse practitioner’s implication that inducing every single mom was a good thing?
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The Deranged Housewife Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am (Quote)
Wow! That’s awesome that you had such great births.
At least they didn’t dispatch the police to come looking for you … :O
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L Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am (Quote)
No police. Although I did get reprimanded last week for taking my now 4 year old and 1.5 year old in for hearing tests. When he asked if I had done the manditory hearing screening at birth and at what hospital, I played dumb. He said, “You know it is state law to get a hearing test.” What he doesn’t seem to know is they have a waiver form!!!! LOL.
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Details Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am (Quote)
Don’t you think you would have noticed if they had a major hearing problem sometime in the 1.5 and 4 years? You don’t think your midwife did a hearing test? Trust me, she did. When somebody across the room speaks and a newborn turns his head he just passed the hearing test. You want to fill out a waiver because you didn’t use a machine that goes ping and check every frequency known to man and dog, that’s fine, but what exactly did you think an infant was going to do raise his right hand if he heard something in his right ear and his left hand if he heard something in his left ear? Some of them take the checking of the boxes just a little too far.
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Eileen Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 5:52 pm (Quote)
Well first, to the OP, congrats on getting the birth you wanted! Twice!
And second, as someone who works with Deaf and hard of hearing children, I have to comment on this. Before the advent of Universal Newborn Hearing Screening, it was actually extremely common for children with hearing loss to be missed until they were several years old. This is not because their mothers were incompetent or unobservant, but because children are very good at responding to visual stimuli even if they are lacking in auditory stimuli. In other words, they can “fake it” quite well, even if completely deaf. So no, a child turning his head across the room when a person speaks is not a hearing test, because they could be cuing off a million different other little things instead of the speaker’s actual voice. Or perhaps they can hear the actual voice, but not well enough to distinguish words, which limits their language access. I know it feels like you can tell, but so did, and do, the mothers of many children with even profound hearing loss. It is hard to notice when they are young, even for the best mother!
However, when they are young is when they desperately need language input to help them develop full and appropriate language they can use throughout their lives! Now of course children who are discovered to have hearing loss later can still be successful, but their odds of being successful go up the earlier intervention is started. That intervention could be as simple as being sure the child’s attention is always gotten before you start speaking to them, or it could involve hearing aids or a cochlear implant, or it could involve learning to sign or cue, or some combination of the above. But without intervention, even children who only have moderate loss at some of the “frequencies known to man and dog” can have serious language delays.
And no, the baby does not have to raise his left hand if he hears a sound. UNHS usually uses ABR testing or other such testing. Probes are placed in the baby’s ear canal while he/she is asleep and his/her brainwaves are read as sounds are sent into their ear. It doesn’t tell you what they hear (i.e. it might miss a processing disorder) but it does tell you what the system is capable of receiving. It is completely non-invasive and takes about 5 minutes.
Of course, any parent who wants to opt out has that right. But UNHS has made a HUGE difference in the lives of children with hearing loss by giving them access to language much, much earlier on average. Why would you potentially deny your child full access to language, such a foundational part of our human experience, just because you don’t like a lot of the other invasive tests the medical community demands? Again, I’m not saying you can’t opt out, I’m just saying please do your research before you do, and from this statement it’s clear you haven’t.
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Stacey Reply:
November 10th, 2011 at 3:46 pm (Quote)
It’s even harder to observe a moderate hearing loss. I can’t hear high frequencies in one ear, and I didn’t figure it out until I was a teen, when I happened to notice that my watch didn’t tick when I held it up to that ear.
Until then, people thought that I was being difficult or not paying attention because I often didn’t understand what was said to me. An early hearing test would have prevented a lot of frustration.
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Erin Burns (Your Friendly neighborhood audiologist) Reply:
November 10th, 2011 at 9:05 am (Quote)
It is absolutely amazing how many parents DON’T notice a hearing loss in children before school age because there are many degrees and configurations of hearing loss. A mild or reverse slope hearing loss for instance will not be evident to a parent or even a GP. But it will drastically interfere with language acquisition and articulation.
There are two types of new born hearing screening. One is Otoacoustic Emissions, and it only requires about 15 minutes. The other is Auditory Brain-stem Response testing. It is really best to have both done.
And you absolutely DO NOT have to have this done at a hospital. Any area audiologist with the appropriate equipment can do it, and generally do it alot better than the techs or nurses in a hospital (if they don’t have an audiologist, and many don’t). And state laws require them to report this information in most states. And most of the times it is much easier to get into a regular audiologists office than to the hospital for this, and as far as I know, within my profession, there just isn’t the same bias against home birth. Obviously there will be variety in individuals, but we have no official position and no widely agreed upon unofficial position.
So please, do remember that you likely have other options. And also, the sooner you get it done, the easier it is to do, because these tests require the baby to be sleeping or at least still and quiet, and that is much easier to have happen if it is a really newborn rather than over 6 months.
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Heather P Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 12:47 pm (Quote)
After my homebirth I tried to get my newborn in to get her hearing checked and they went out of their way to make it as difficult for me as possible to get her in. They told me the wouldn’t do it until she was 4 months old, the appointment would take two hours, and she couldn’t eat for 4 hours prior to the appointment because they wanted her “cranky and hungry” when she arrived. I told them that my older daughter had it done before she left the hospital and I just wanted the test they do on newborns. She assured me it was the same test. I canceled it. I wasn’t going to do that to my baby.
Sorry to go off on a rant. I’m glad you got the births you wanted with fantastic midwives. I’d have run out of there also.
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Eileen Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 7:41 pm (Quote)
This is ridiculous. They were being pains in the butts on purpose. My youngest brother in law had the same kind of test that newborns get when he was well over a year (retesting to nail down loss), and they just brought him in during nap time and he slept through it. As long as they’ll sleep reliably nothing more is needed. And in some places now they don’t even have to sleep! There is NO NEED for an infant to be “cranky and hungry” to get tested. I am angry at that center on your behalf for denying access to an extremely simple and important test to people.
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mamatolevi Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 12:55 pm (Quote)
I’m curious… was the NP critical of the induction policy? quietly mocking it? or did she come across as pro-induction? In the right tone of voice, a comment like that could be a way of warning patients that doesn’t get her fired. Another tone of voice and it could be contempt for wanting nature to run its course.
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Anni Reply:
November 10th, 2011 at 12:59 pm (Quote)
This sounds like my old OB’s office. I was basically told I’m not educated enough to make my own decisions, including which hospital I wanted to go to to deliver, and that I was basically an idiot and was going to lose my baby or have harm come my or her way if I didn’t choose to go to the hospital that was (surprise!) across the street from his office.
They also didn’t call to find out why I cancelled my next appointment, and were super difficult when I tried to get them to send over my files to my midwife. Then, they had the nerve to send me a bill for my “estimated costs for delivery,” 10 weeks after I stopped seeing them!
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Please tell me the doctor’s name was God…
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Jane Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 8:10 am (Quote)
So a surgeon dies, and he finds himself at the back of a long line of people waiting at the Pearly Gates. The surgeon pushes to the front and says to Saint Peter, “I need to get inside now. I’m a surgeon, and I don’t wait for anything.”
Saint Peter replies, “You were a surgeon in life, but here in Heaven, we are all the same in the eyes of God. Please wait your turn.”
The surgeon waits, but after five minutes he pushes back to the head of the line. “Look, I’m a surgeon, and I don’t wait for anything. Let me in.”
Saint Peter again replies, “In Heaven, all are the same in the eyes of God. No one gets preferential treatment. Please wait your turn.”
The surgeon goes to his place in line, but then lo and behold, someone comes rushing through in a lab coat, carrying a black leather satchel, and wearing a stethoscope around his neck! And when this person reaches the gate, Peter just opens it and lets the guy through!
So the surgeon rushes back to the head of the line. “What gives?” he says. “When I said I was a surgeon, you told me no one gets preferential treatment! But you just let that guy through without waiting!”
Saint Peter smiles and says, “Oh, that was God. Sometimes he enjoys playing doctor.”
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JoAnna Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 8:32 am (Quote)
haha!
Reminds me of this one:
Q: What’s the difference between God and a doctor?
A: God doesn’t think he’s a doctor.
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Tee Reply:
November 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm (Quote)
Jane, you are the awesomesauce! That was great!
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Which God are we talking about here? The God I worship, or the Dr. God *you* worship?
Barf.
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This is definitely not the only way babies are birthed in Chattanooga; I choose to NOT see an OB – they are trained surgeons & I don’t need one to have a baby. Remember – they went to school to cut you open, not help you birth a baby.
I chose to see my family doctor, who was very pro-natural childbirth & coached me through the whole process. She was at the hospital from start to finish. She did not run in to catch the baby, but was there from transition until my child was born.
The bottom line – education. Know what you want, and find a provider who is on the same page. You are HIRING them to provide a service to you. Be picky!
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Wow, this takes god complex to a whole new level… I’m practically speechless…
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