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Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“…You’re Not Even In Labor Yet!…”
“Stop It! You’re not even in labor yet! The hospital won’t even take you now!!” – Home birth Midwife to mother when a vaginal exam revealed she was 3 cm but she felt like she was in transition, and requested to transfer to the hospital. Baby was born 15 minutes later.
yep…with my first they kept telling me that at a hospital…I swore I was ready to push but the nurse/midwive (they didnt give you OBs)said I wasnt ready…She finally checked me again, popped my water in the process and ran from the room calling for a doctor b/c she could already see the head…within 2 minutes my daughter was born
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All 3 of mine were like that
me:I need to push!
them: NO! you’re only 5 cm. Pant!
me:the baby’s crowning
them: no it’s not it’s just moving down, (looks,)GET THE DOCTOR!! THE BABY’S CROWNING!!
Every single time. By the third my husband was predicting it to the intake nurses. They still didn’t believe until they saw the baby’s head.
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I kinda have to laugh about this one… With my last one, she came so fast that I couldn’t believe I was already ready to push. I hate that OBs and midwives in hospitals don’t believe mothers most of the time, but a midwife attending a home birth? Shame!!!
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I have to wonder if this midwife has a nursing background… This sounds much more like something I would expect of an L&D nurse (or some CNMs) than a homebirth midwife! By the time you get even to the intern stage, you should have seen enough *natural* birth to know that this can totally happen, and that mom is most certainly “in labor.”
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I wonder if the midwife was actually trying to get the mom to calm down and stop panicking. If the mom was acting transitiony and the midwife couldn’t wrap her mind around that, then when the mom asked to go to the hospital (I assume they were planning a home birth) the midwife might have said, “Realx! You’re not even in labor yet!” in order to get the mom to gear down a bit and steady herself.
If you’re thinking “It’s going to be like this for 12 hours?!?” when you really only have ten minutes to go, that’s terrifying. A lot depends on the midwife’s tone of voice, whether “Stop it!” was a command or a cajoling, “Oh, stop worrying–you can do this” kind of thing.
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Cmat Reply:
September 8th, 2010 at 10:10 am (Quote)
You have a point, maybe that is what the MW was aiming for. I know I did kind of go into panic mode not when I needed to push at first because it was just me, DH and a nurse.. but when they brought the doctor in everything started happening SO fast and it was scary. I would have appreciated someone try to be soothing though. I don’t feel this comment as being soothing, but more along the lines of being condescending.
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One reason I loved my mw with my second. I told her I didn’t want internal exams, ans she said that was fine and that she could tell how I was by watching me and didn’t need an internal check. Made me happy, because I learnt with my first that I dilate all at once at transition. I remember how disappointed I felt when they checked me with my son, and I was at 3cm. Hit transition soon after that and was pushing about an hour later. The mw on duty didn’t believe me when I said I was pushing, so checked me again and was shocked that I was fully dilated at that point.
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I love this article.
The “Rule of 10″ Versus Women’s Primal Wisdom
by Lydi Owen
© 2008 Midwifery Today, Inc. All rights reserved.
[Editor's note: This article first appeared in Midwifery Today Issue 86, Summer 2008.]
There is a rule of labor that forbids a woman to push with contractions until her cervix is completely dilated to 10 cm. Women are warned that to push before this doorway is completely open and out of the way will result in a swollen and/or torn cervix.
What will supposedly happen if the cervix swells?
Doctors, nurses, midwives, doulas and childbirth educators all warn that a swollen cervix will impede labor and increase the chances of tearing the cervix, thus causing hemorrhage. They have been taught that a swollen cervix is easily broken or pulverized. If this is indeed the truth, then why do most women during labor have an irresistible urge to begin bearing down before dilation is complete?
Could it be that the instinctual wisdom of our bodies has become our enemy? Is Spirit trying to destroy us instead of guiding us? Why would we feel the need to begin bearing down at 5-6 cm (or sooner) if it would shatter the gateway to the baby’s outer world?
These were questions that I pondered as a midwife, as I watched woman after woman give birth in the 1970s. Each of us struggled through the phase of labor when we wanted to push, but we knew that we had to refrain from doing so because that was what we had been taught in childbirth education classes. We had learned this from previous births in the hospital.
By what authority should we doubt the information given to us by the learned men and women of science?
Collectively, women decided that remaining passive during labor was better than risking injury or death of themselves and/or their unborn babies by obeying “outdated” promptings of their bodies, whose wisdom hadn’t kept up with science.
Could professionals be mistaken about when women can begin bearing down during labor, because they forgot one simple part of the equation-that of observing non-medicated women in labor in their natural habitats?
Remember this: People at one time believed that the world was flat. Dr. Ignaz Semmelweiss was ridiculed until his death in 1865 for suggesting that germs were responsible for the widespread child bed fever that killed an epidemic number of women simply because doctors didn’t wash their hands.(1)
How did this “Rule of Ten” come about?
In 1951 doctors Greenhill and DeLee wrote “During the first stage of labor no abdominal pushing is allowed because the cervix will tear.”(2)
We can safely assume that the women being studied by Greenhill and DeLee were under the influence of drugs, because in the mid-20th century the orgy of drug interference during labor and birth was at its height of glory. Almost no women were informed enough to withstand the onslaught of drugs given to them during birth in the hospital. Unfortunately, the situation has not changed in the sixty years since.
Therefore, these doctors were scientifically incorrect in concluding that the “Rule of Ten” was valid, without simultaneously observing a control group of drug-free laboring women in the upright position (as opposed to being drugged and lying down in beds).
The only place that they would have been able to make these observations by comparison would have been at homebirths. In the 1950s, homebirths were almost non-existent.
In the early part of the 1970s many American women, tired of being dominated by wrong medical thinking, left the system and went home to birth their children. I was one of these women. That birth led to my becoming a midwife.
The first time I witnessed the cervix miraculously responding to being pushed on at 6 cm dilation was when a woman was giving birth to her third baby. Susan had a quick and easy labor. When she reached 6 cm, she could not hold back from pushing. Her body gave her clear signals that it was time for her to aid the uterus in the expulsion of her unborn child, himself pushing to be born. She began to grunt and bear down involuntarily, making primitive animal sounds that emanated from deep inside her throat.
I, supposedly the learned one, watched her break the cardinal rule in obstetrics. Aloud, I recited, “You must not push. You’re not fully dilated. You can tear or injure your cervix. Pant like a puppy!”After thirty minutes of this ridiculous scenario, I checked her dilation again, hoping that she would now be dilated to 10 cm so that I could release her from her agony by giving her “permission” to push. Horror upon horrors greeted my fingers as I discovered that she was still only 6 cm, but now her cervix was swollen from not pushing.
She had several more contractions while I was on the telephone (I was new at midwifery), frantically calling midwives in another state because there weren’t any in Las Vegas, for advice on what to do about this “problem.” The midwife I spoke to wasn’t any more experienced than I was and apologized for not knowing what to tell me.
While I was on the phone, Susan, tired of panting like the puppy she wasn’t, finally just went ahead and began pushing without my “permission.” I threw down the telephone, rushed over and quickly slipped on a sterile glove. As she pushed, I felt her very puffy cervix, now 7 cm, slip over the baby’s head. Out popped his little head, all in one contraction.
Her cervix didn’t tear, the swelling subsided immediately, and mother and baby were both fine. Mom was no doubt relieved that she had survived her well-meaning, but ignorant, midwife.
I went home thinking about that one, convinced that we were just lucky that everything turned out okay in spite of the fact that this woman ignored science in favor of primal wisdom.
The next time I encountered a “defiant” woman was soon after, when another woman went into labor. Carol was expecting her second baby. During active labor, at 4 cm-when her cervix was soft and stretchy-Carol squatted by her bedroom door and hung onto the doorknob with both hands. She then began to bear down with each very strong contraction.
“Oh, great, here we go again,” I thought as I advised her to desist from pushing.
Carol was less “obedient” than Susan had been and didn’t give ear to my dire warning. She just grunted and pushed like an empowered woman, completely unafraid, and within 30 minutes dilated to 10 cm.
Her baby was fine, her cervix was fine, and this time I was fine. I now understood the power of fearless women and the primal (of first importance) wisdom of our bodies.
As I attended more and more births, I learned that women could safely push during labor sooner than what the textbooks claimed. However, the question wasn’t whether a woman pushed, but how and when.
In my quest to “help” the next woman in labor with my newly discovered information, I wrongly decided to “assist” her to dilate faster by massaging and stretching her cervix when she was 4 cm dilated. What I didn’t yet understand was that the cervix has to be thin, soft and stretchy for this to work and the woman has to be getting the signal to bear down of her own accord, not my good intentions to help her get labor over with faster.
I ended up sending her into the hospital for “failure to progress,” when I caused the failure to progress. I was embarrassed that I had prevented her from having a good homebirth just because I was ignorant. I came to realize that I had much to learn about the different stages of labor from observation of women in their natural habitats. What we have been taught about labor and birth in medical textbooks comes from observation of medicated women in “laboratories” (hospitals), like mice in cages. Observations of women lying in beds, laboring under the influence of analgesics and anesthetics provide no real clue to the workings of the human body during labor and birth.
For decades women had been drugged during labor and put to sleep during the actual birth of the baby, so I can certainly understand how the “Rule of Ten” must have come about. If a woman was not dilated completely before the hands of the strong male doctor forcefully pushed, pulled and tugged the sedated infant out of a limp body, then certainly the doctor could easily have torn her cervix with his brute strength if it wasn’t completely out of the way (dilated to 10 cm). Gladys McGarey, MD, writes in the Women’s Wellness section of Venture Inward’s November/December 2007 issue, “Let’s respect nature’s wisdom…. Our job is to recognize and support the Divine order of things.”(3)
Dr. McGarey writes about the conditions of women in Afghanistan in 2005 as they gave birth to their babies. The attendants didn’t understand the anatomy and physiology of labor and birth and therefore used severe external pressure to deliver the babies. She also writes that this caused problems such as ruptured uteri and bladders, leading to many maternal deaths.
In the US, in the early part of the 20th century, the “Rule of Ten” no doubt came about for that same reason. Six to nine of every 1000 women died in childbirth in the early part of the 20th century.(4) If the cervix is not out of the way when severe fundal pressure is used, it will act as a counter-force to external fundal pressure and will inevitably result in either a torn cervix or uterus.
I have attended the labors and births of many, many Hispanic women. I have observed many friends and family members of the laboring women who do not have any medical or anatomical knowledge of the human body attempt to speed up labor in these same very unwise ways. I was attending a laboring woman who was pregnant with her first child. She was handling the contractions like a pro, but the labor was slow, which is normal for a first time mother.
Veronica preferred to walk during the contractions. Her cervix stayed at 4 cm for several hours (a normal occurrence), but now her cervix was beginning to soften from the repeated contractions. However, Veronica’s mother was getting impatient. As I had done in the past, she figured she would help her daughter get this labor over with more quickly. From the grandmother’s point of view, she was going to help get that big baby out of that small vaginal opening.
I had gone into the kitchen to get a drink of water when I heard Veronica let out an anguished moan from the bedroom. Alarmed, I rushed into the bedroom to find out what was wrong. Veronica sounded like she was in serious pain. I discovered that her mother was standing behind her with both her arms wrapped around her daughter’s abdomen, pressing down as hard as she could on the top of Veronica’s belly during a contraction.
Her mother believed that she was helping her daughter, but to me the way she was pushing on her stomach looked barbaric. The grandmother did not understand that there was another doorway (the cervix) inside her daughter’s body that had to open before the baby could be born through the exterior doorway-the vaginal opening. In her simple, uneducated mind, she thought she was helping. She did not know that she might tear the cervix by what she was doing because she didn’t even know that there was such a thing as the cervix in the way. I knew better than to insult this grandmother by telling her to stop doing that, so I just made eye contact with Veronica and motioned with my eyes that she come into the other bedroom. Veronica kindly removed her mother’s hands from her belly and followed me, telling her mother in Spanish that I was going to examine her.
Her mother was furious that she was unable to help her daughter the way she had been taught in the small farm town in Mexico where she was born. She clearly considered me an ignorant intruder. However, what she had been doing was dangerous. I wondered how many women and babies had actually died from uterine ruptures in Mexico during labor and birth because of attendants who unwittingly pushed on a mother’s uterus to “help” her, the same way they do in Afghanistan and did in the US in the past.
Midwifery in itself isn’t dangerous. Midwifery without proper education can be dangerous in the face of aggressive caregivers. Certainly we all need an understanding of anatomy and physiology to be effective midwives.
However, rather than accepting the “Rule of Ten” just because it is written in a medical textbook, we must question whether this rule is valid and examine how it came about, especially as we observe multitudes of women wanting to push before they are completely dilated. For over a century, women in the US have been conditioned to think that doctors are the experts. As a result, we have buried our primal instincts somewhere deep inside our subconscious minds. Just telling a laboring woman that she can trust her body won’t wipe away centuries of conditioning that it isn’t okay to do so without scientific proof. Unless a woman has been raised on an island far from civilization, she will likely have read or heard something that influences how she will give birth. Everything she has learned has the risk of interfering with or empowering her to listen to and respond to her primal instincts during birth.
I believe that the scientific evidence for eliminating the “Rule of Ten” comes from page 171 of Helen Varney’s Nurse Midwifery, where she describes what happens in the phase of maximum slope.(5)
First let me say that a non medicated woman will never push so hard against her undilated cervix that it tears, because it will hurt. Pain is a natural deterrent to pushing too hard. However, when done in the correct manner, pushing to help rotate a baby and dilate oneself will actually eliminate a great deal of pain and cut hours off one’s labor and birth.
Women feel greatly empowered when they can merge with their contractions, unafraid, because the pain diminishes as they do so and labor time is significantly reduced.
read the entire article here
http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/ruleof10_fullrelease.asp
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I probably posted this before, but w/my 2nd child, my midwife checked me and said I was “only at a 7″ so I should get up and try to walk. I stood up and immediately went into transition. Of course no one believed me, but somehow I got them to let me get back into a position that worked for me and sure enough…my son was born 20 min. later.
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This was said badly. If mom was in transition the MW should have seen it in her face and not in her cervix and she should have told her that yes it hurts but it will be over soon and going in the car will hurt more
. I dunno I would have been pissed off at the time and then thanked her for not letting me xfer in the height of transition. This mom wouldn’t have made it to the hospital, staying home was safest. It’s just a shame the MW couldn’t see how imminent birth was.
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K Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 8:08 am (Quote)
So women know their bodies, and they know what’s going on, except when they think that something is wrong and they need to go to the hospital?
If a woman is having what she says is an abnormal amount of pain, or an amount of pain she can’t cope with anymore, and she wants to go to the hospital, you would expect a midwife to threaten her with more pain if she does decide to transfer? And thereby keep her home? What if something then goes wrong, don’t you think it would be the midwife’s fault for not transferring when her client requested it?
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Lucia Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 4:59 pm (Quote)
A woman always has the right to say “NO we’re transferring this isn’t normal something is wrong” A good midwife should know when mother is in transition and when something is wrong. There is usually signs that a mother gives and the baby gives that something is horribly wrong such as bleeding, decels, sharp stabbing pains that would signal a need to transfer. I’m in an odd position as a freebirther myself and one who COULDN’T tell I was in transition (because honestly the hormones and the pain didn’t have me thinking clearly) and I transfered at 3cm and arrived 30 min later at 8cm and was pushing soon after arrival. I would have been grateful for someone to have told me, Lucia you’re in transition We’re not transferring you might not even make it to the hospital I don’t care if you ARE only 3 cm. I would have given anything for a homebirth, but I couldn’t tell. I think I’m not alone in this. When you’re exhausted and hormonal not everyone is clear headed. What I got from this mom’s story was the midwife failed to read that birth was imminent. I don’t think a midwife should threaten more pain for transferring but is the mother was in so much pain she wanted to transfer, a ride in the car was not likely to alleviate that (I had a half hour transfer it was hell). What it comes down to is the MW trusted her fingers instead of trusting the whole mother and a call to transfer is frequently an announcement of transition. I hope this was a little more clear.
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so why did she want to go to the hospital then? it sounds like she was planning a home birth, and nothing was wrong….
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Aron Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 8:20 am (Quote)
I can’t say for certain, but would imagine that being informed she wasn’t actually in labor while in the midst of experiencing the overwhelming sensations of transition made her think “if this isn’t labor then something BAD is happening!”
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Dreamy Reply:
September 9th, 2010 at 2:46 pm (Quote)
Yeah, I had the same thought? And then why didn’t the HB MW (assuming she actually understood that the labor might be progressing that quickly) just tell her, well, you’re in transition, so even if I totally respect your wishes, the baby is coming NOW.
The only explanation is that she must not have realized the woman was in transition, but that’s disappointing, since you’d think a HB MW would know that sometimes these things happen just like that. And further, if she thought the woman wasn’t in transition, why not have some sort of discussion about the hospital rather than dismissing her? Sounds like, at the very least, this MW just blurted out her surprise without thinking.
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This is one of those comments that many of us may think at one point or another but wouldn’t or shouldn’t dare say aloud because its insensitive. I can imagine that the midwife never expected this mama’s labor to go so quickly. We all get surprised at some point. That’s why I can’t go with the “well, she should’ve known” argument. However, if this mom was having contractions strong enough and regular enough, she’s most certainly in labor. Telling her she’s not isn’t going to help calm her down if that was the intended result.
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UGH! A woman knows her body best.
#1) Never tell a woman “STOP IT” when she is in labor.
#2) If she requests to go to the hospital, take her, dammit!!
Shame on this midwife.
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