Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“…Do Yourself A Favor And Give Her The Formula From The Start.”
“You are young and it hurts. You won’t want to feel like a failure so do yourself a favor and give her the formula from the start.” – L&D Nurse to 18 year old mother after the mother told the nurse she would be breastfeeding.
Translation: “You don’t want to feel like a failure, so I’ll tell you failure is certain and you can always feel like you failed without ever having tried.”
Alternate Translation: “It takes time to help a new mom learn to breastfeed, time I could be spending on paperwork, and I just don’t see the value in it.”
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Sarah Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:18 am (Quote)
Another alternate: “Because you are young I will assume that you will be a bad parent, therefore I am going to coerce you into making choices that will force you into the mold I’ve chosen for you in my head.”
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Jane Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:35 am (Quote)
I don’t even credit the nurse with that much thought. When in doubt, I always assume people are saying things to benefit themselves, and the only way the nurse could benefit from saying something so undermining of this mom is if she thought either
1) she could save herself work
or
2) she had tried to breastfeed, been unable to do so, and didn’t want HERSELF to feel like a failure when this other mom succeeded.
I doubt the nurse ever thought about this mother again after the mom’s discharge. Why would she care if the mom chose a different mothering path UNLESS that path created some kind of difficulty for the nurse?
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Something like, “I failed at breastfeeding and I always felt like a failure so I make sure that anyone I could help, I don’t, and instead sabotage their efforts, so that no one around me succeeds so I don’t have to feel like a failure, because everyone else is, too.”
Is this what they call transference?
I know there’s a word out there for people like this. Besides #@$^%^*.
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I know breastfeeding is difficult for a lot of people, but it was super-de-duper easy for me. Easier than buying formula or washing bottles. That nurse is an idiot.
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I had a similar eperience in the hospital. I had a nurse come in and ask if DS was getting a bottle. I told her no, that I was going to breastfeed. She proceeded to say , with a smug look on her face, that if I didn’t get 5 hours of consecutive sleep I was not going to succeed.
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Tiffany Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 8:23 am (Quote)
Let me guess that same nurse then came in every 1-2 hours to wake you up while you were sleeping for “necessary” tests.
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Susan Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 9:20 am (Quote)
Can’t say I’ve ever heard *that* one before!
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Sarah Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 10:09 am (Quote)
That’s exactly what happened to me! My son also had a poor latch. By the end of the day they said I was starving him and forced me to give him formula. I didn’t even get to feed him, the nurse did it in our room without asking if I wanted to because “I needed to sleep”.
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That is absolutely disgusting! And it makes me sad.
I was 19 when I had our daughter and had wanted to breastfeed from the start. The first nurse I dealt with- a horrid, fat, ugly little toad- acted so indignant about it. She asked me once the first day when was the last time I nursed Shelby, I can’t remember how long it had been but longer than they’d wanted me to go. She jumped all over me saying that that was why I didn’t need to breastfeed, and that she had already lost a few ounces because I was feeding her enough, and my not feeding her was going to make her life-threateningly sick and she’d have to go to the NICU and have so many problems. She told me she was going to go tell the doctor and brought him back to chastise me (did I mention she did all of this while my mom and husband were momentarily out of the room?). He told me basically the same thing and asked when she last ate and how much. It was only about 20 minutes or so off THEIR schedule, and she’d nursed a full 15 or so minutes on each side (I don’t know how much was coming out, but she was trying to get at it!). Not bad for a one day old! The doctor just said “Oh.” and they both left. The next shift nurse was a WONDERFUL woman. I told her it hurt to BF, so she watched me and was like “Oh no, honey! If you let her latch on like that she’ll tear it off!” and showed me how to properly latch Shelby on, as opposed to the toad saying “Yeah, well, it hurts.” when I’d told her the same thing.
A good or bad nurse can make or break your early in-hospital breastfeeding experiences, especially for us really young mothers.
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Jane Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 12:00 pm (Quote)
I’m sorry you were treated so terribly. They didn’t even have the backbone to apologize for being so nasty.
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Cmat Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:09 pm (Quote)
Oh jeeze, that’s horrible how she treated you! Glad you got a good nurse with the next shift. You’re right, sometimes a good nurse can make or break things. Sadly its usually the “break” instances that we remember. I only remember one nurse being at all nice to me at the hospital. The others were not hostile, just acted too busy to be around.
And you did nothing wrong on your feeding schedule. My son lost 4 ounces leaving the hospital and the lactation consultant whined at me.. then the pediatrician came in and said “Yes, they’ll usually lose a few ounces and its normal. As long as its not dramatic we don’t usually worry.” So the “few ounces” did nothing!
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Dawn Reply:
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:01 am (Quote)
Oh, 4oz is nothing really. My son lost 10oz his first two weeks out of the hospital (which I later found out was completely normal, but very few “new” mothers truly trust themselves), and the pediatrician told me to start supplementing with formula. Stupid me listened & by the time he was 3 months old was strictly bottle.
Of course I pumped what I could after that (no accommodations at work), but by the time he was 9 months old, I could barely get more than a dribble out of either side. At least my son was able to breastfeed for a while & luckily he’s barely ever been sick a day in his life (now nearly 4). No ear infections or anything (his dad was a bottle baby & extremely prone to ear infections).
I now know better for my next one whenever he or she may come along.
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Dear Nurse,
Go find a new job. Specifically, find a job that doesn’t put you around new moms and babies. While you’re at it, don’t go anywhere near teenagers, either.
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I’m a formula feeder, have been from the start (there are reasons) and I still have no idea why people think it’s easier. There’s nothing easy about mixing 8 bottles at a time one handed with a fussy, wiggly baby in your arms, sleep deprived and occasionally at 2am is NOT easy. Nor is trying to mix a bottle at a park or on a road trip where access to warm water is limited at best – because not every baby will take their bottles room temperature. Oh, and it’s a total myth that FF babies will sleep for 5+ hours right from the start. My son wants a bottle every 3 hours like BF babies his age, and that’s pretty common. And it ain’t cheap either – not every baby will like the generic brands or the inexpensive bottles.
I’m unpopular because I have a positive opinion of FF, but man I hate when people make it out to be this magically easy process. It takes work.
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Rebecca Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 8:44 am (Quote)
See, I’m sleep deprived from mixing bottles this morning instead of napping while my baby napped and combined two sentences into one in the middle of my rant there.
Also, it’s impossible to nap while bottle feeding because you’ll just keep dropping the bottle.
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Sheva Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 10:31 am (Quote)
I bottle fed some of my babies, sometimes, too, and I totally agree with you – BF is easier.
And, BTW, you’re not unpopular with me.
I believe that it’s a personal decision, and that no one, no matter what they choose, has a right to be torched for their decision.
I know women who are better mothers for having FF, (even though they wanted to BF, FF was the safer and therefore better choice for THEM) and because no one knows the background of their choice, no one should judge.
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Kat Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 1:31 pm (Quote)
I have a positive opinion of FF also. I didn’t use it for my kids, but:
My dear friends who adopted their children needed it, and it was terrific for them.
My friend who lost a lot of blood (if it had been any more, she’d have needed a transfusion) had to use it for her child while her body built up her blood and milk supply. It was a very positive thing that she had it available.
My friend who had a blood clot after the birth of her child and had to go on life-saving blood thinners couldn’t BF while using them. Formula was necessary for her.
I know sometimes when people use strong language in support of BF, it can feel like they are negative towards FF. Some BF extremists are, but I think many more have a balanced view of the issues.
The thing I do not have a positive opinion about is pressure on women who want to BF, or who are undecided, using false info (like FF babies sleep better, or FF is easier, etc.) and people who call BF “gross” or dirty because of a false view of breasts as sexual objects primarily useful for male sex toys.
Guess what? There are men (and women) out there who can view breasts as beautiful and sexy, and at the same time appreciate their biological function as mammary glands!
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mstmompj Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:08 pm (Quote)
Kat, I agree with the general substance of your post, but I did want to comment on one detail: whoever told your friend that she couldn’t breastfeed while on a blood thinner was not correct. Both Lovanox and Warfarin (Coumadin) are fine to take while breastfeeding as they do not enter the milk (molecular weight is too high).
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JulietsButterfly Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 5:16 am (Quote)
That sucks! One of my friends was told to stop bfing her DD because she was on coumadin. They did regular formula, which their DD didn’t tolerate and because no one told them better, went to soy. They didn’t have a ton of problems, but I know my friend regrets not nursing longer-and she won’t be able to have another baby because it’s really risky for her health (other reasons besides the blood thinner).
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Cmat Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:15 pm (Quote)
I wished I could have breastfed, but it didn’t work out with my son. So we ended up bottle feeding. Formula isn’t evil. In my opinion, whatever gets the job done and keeps baby healthy is good. As long as it keeps everyone healthy, sane and in one piece!
And you’re right Rebecca.. FF is not necessarily “easier.” You have to carry it at all times, worry about it spoiling, worry about wasting, mix it on the spot sometimes, its expensive etc. Ditto on the mixing with a fussy squirmy baby! I dislike the opinion that it is somehow easier.
If a Mom wants to breastfeed she shouldn’t be discouraged! What’s wrong with the nurse smiling and nodding and saying good luck. Even if she doesn’t agree, she doesn’t need to put her 2cents in.
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Mama Wrench Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm (Quote)
I’m very happy that I was able to breastfeed for 10 months, but I’m active-duty Navy, and stand a 12-hour watch, both days and nights. The stress of working for 12 hours, only getting to pump sporatically, getting only a few hours of sleep interrupted by being woken up to nurse every 3-4 hours was just too much for my body. When it got to the point that I was only pumping 4 ounces a day, even with herbs and everything else I could think of I really felt like my body wasn’t giving me a choice anymore.
Formula is definitely inferior to breast milk; HOWEVER, for those for whom it is absolutely necessary, I’m still grateful for formulas that are superior to those even a decade ago. I do believe that unless there are medical indications, babies benefit when mothers at least attempt to feed them natural milk, but part of responsible parenting is about keeping all options open, being informed, and doing what is best for YOUR baby, YOUR body and YOUR family.
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JulietsButterfly Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 5:21 am (Quote)
I agree with you 100%! I wouldn’t wish FFing on my worst enemy! It was such a PITA when I switched to it with DD (because I was fed the “you can’t nurse on this medicine” line). I was 21, so I guess young mothers aren’t “allowed” to nurse? Gotta save those perfect breasts for ogling by coeds right? Nevermind that they’re on a mom.
Every bottle mixed in my friend’s dorm room, or the hallway between classes as I tried to finish college and raise an infant made me more determined to nurse my next baby. I was lucky that DD took her bottles hot, cold and tepid, but I would have been SOL if she’d needed them at a perfect consistent temperature.
You can always give things a try. Just trying to nurse will at least shrink your uterus down all the way instead of going straight to FFing. Better to try and fail (as I did with DD) than not try at all. And who knows, maybe you’ll nurse into the second year…and nap while nursing
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Rebecca Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 10:10 am (Quote)
I think saying that I wouldn’t wish FF on my worst enemy is pretty harsh. I would have been happy BF but I am happy FF, there are a few advantages and if my baby is healthy it is enough for me . What I object to is people, professionals and laypeople alike, trying to convince new mothers to FF because it is so much easier. That’s false advertising. I regret not BF and I have very very good reasons for not doing so – how will this mom feel later down the line when she didn’t BF because everybody assured her FF was easier – and it wasn’t?
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“You’re 18, so I’m going to push you into a decision that will cost you hundreds of dollars or more per year, or at the very least leave you standing in line and otherwise using up valuable time getting help from WIC, because obviously you’re too stupid to use the body you were born with.”
Seriously. Why not invest a little time finding out whether her breasts ACTUALLY PRODUCE MILK instead of trying to buffalo her into the more difficult alternative?
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And then people complain when young mothers are on assistance to get the formula! Has she heard the news on all the extra money spent (medical, ect) because enough women aren’t breastfeeding? Seriously, get them breastfeeding and breastfeeding well, for your own pocketbook’s sake!
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All I can say is “UGH!” When a person wants to BF their child, good advice and support is wonderful. Bad advice, whether from a nurse or LC, can kill it quickly.
I just wish more hospitals would train their nurses in the basics of BF so they can help new mothers out.
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I had just gone through a wonderful unmedicated delivery to have my daughter, something that I was very proud of. I had already nursed my daughter for most of the day and when the shift changed this “helpful” nurse came in. She looked at me like she was sorry for me (as well as being young I started motherhood as a single parent, something I was at peace with), and she tried to convince me that I shouldn’t breastfeed. Other advice she gave me was that being young I most likely wouldn’t make enough milk, and that formula was “just about as good”.
I breastfed my daughter for over 18 months and she never had a drop of formula. I filed a complaint with the hospital about this nurse but the most rewarding experience came 2.5 years later when I delivered my son. She was one of the nurses who came in as I was pushing, and between contractions I pointed her out and said “You told me I was too young to breastfeed my daughter, you said it hurts and I would end up feeling like a failure. Just to let you know I nursed her for over 18 months despite your advice”. I asked for her to leave my room and she did, red faced and obviously embarrassed for being pointed out in front of her co workers.
I have used this experience to my advantage, in the four years since my daughters birth I have become a Certified Doula and Childbirth Educator, a Lactation Consultant and I now work as a Second Birth Attendant with a Midwife practice. I make sure that I encourage *every* mother, whether they are 14 or 40, to do their best and I never make assumptions about them. I am also pursuing my International Board Certified Lactation Consultant, so really this womans uneducated, misinformed and misguided advice helped me find my calling, to make sure that other women have the best chance (and best advice) that they and their babies deserve.
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Aleyna Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:28 pm (Quote)
So glad to hear this!! Conga-rats and job well done!
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Sheva Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 6:34 pm (Quote)
You rock! That is awesome! It always inspires me when someone takes a bad situation and turns it into a catalyst for something positive. Thank you for the inspiration.
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Kat Reply:
August 29th, 2010 at 9:05 pm (Quote)
Yet another “WOO HOO! You GO!”
And I am glad you got the chance to tell that nasty nurse what was what. She earned that red face, and I hope she felt heartily ashamed of herself. Who knows, maybe your words were a much-needed opportunity for her to examine her prejudice and try to make a change for the better?
Whether she did or not, the opportunity was offered to her, that’s what counts.
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JulietsButterfly Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 5:26 am (Quote)
Congrats on your kiddos, successful nursing and new career! You are what awesome is made of!
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Brittany G. Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 7:02 am (Quote)
Great job! I received comments like this while I was pregnant with my DD and had a horrible nurse after birth as well. Thankfully I was able to keep going and she is 26 months and still nursing.
And I love the fact that you pointed her out and told her to leave!
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Rebecca Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 8:06 am (Quote)
I am doing the wave at my desk in your honor. You rock!
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Cmat Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 11:00 am (Quote)
You rock!
I think its great that you’re making a career out of it too. I had a negative experience with a lactation consultant and experiences like that can make or break things. When someone like you who has overcome and succeeded in breastfeeding walks in, you’ll be a great asset to a mother attempting to nurse!
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Dee Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 3:34 pm (Quote)
Amazing story!! I’m so glad you got to show her up for what she did to you, and glad also that you’ve used your experience to influence other moms!
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Elizabeth Reply:
August 30th, 2010 at 4:55 pm (Quote)
I wonder how this nurse thinks people survived as a species for so long if younger mothers don’t make enough milk. It wasn’t until pretty recently in human history that we delayed childbearing for so long. During puberty breast development starts first… for a reason! Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed, old enough to feed.
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Kelli Reply:
August 31st, 2010 at 4:18 pm (Quote)
oh you just made my heart swell with joy and pride. I relate to you a lot. I birth my first son in the hospital unmedicated, nursed easily the first day and was hassled by nurses the 2nd day. He nursed for 27months, never a taste of formula. I’m typing this one handed as I nurse my 2month old homebirthed son. I also am on my way to midwifery, have become a birth advocate and lactavist, and have ultimately found that I have been called to do whatever is needed to ease each woman’s transition into motherhood. Thank you for sharing and for the work that you do. You are dearly needed.
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I was 18 when I had my son and although breast feeding wasn’t easy peasy at first, we caught on quickly and he nursed for 13 months. I wish more women would at least give BFing a shot. It can be difficult, but with the right support, many find that it becomes second nature.
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I never understood why ppl think formula is easier. Let’s see: wake up at 2am and pick up crying, hungry baby, go to kitchen, find bottle, formula, get water temp right, mix bottle while trying to keep baby from erupting into full screams, feed baby while upright so she doesn’t suck air from bottle, rinse bottle out, go back to bed. OR…roll over, put baby to breast while dozing, put sleeping baby back into co-sleeper/crib….
I get that not everyone can breastfeed, I had to give my ‘exclusively’ breastfeed baby 1 or 2 bottles of formula a day because my body just couldn’t keep up with baby’s voracious appetite (no supply issues with 2nd child thankfuly), but there is no way formula is ‘easier’.
And even if bfing is hard doesn’t mean the mother, of any age, won’t be able to get happily through it.
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Hey, Nursie-poo, pregnancy and childbirth hurt, so maybe we should just avoid getting pregnant…
…wait, that would put YOU out of a job…
…maybe you should just keep your opinions to yourself and support whatever educated medical decisions your patient makes, huh? K, thanks!
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How awful! What a load of garbage. Nurse, YOU are what make it difficult to breastfeed. People like you who are derisive, misinformed, and get a kick out of making people feel bad. (That’s assuming you haven’t been bought by the formula companies. Seriously, you should look at the perks that formula companies offer nurses on maternity floors. See: http://breastfeeding.blog.motherwear.com/2007/04/is_your_nurse_g.html)
Breastfeeding CAN be rough, or for a few, even impossible. Or it can be great, a walk in the park from the get go (my own experience, for instance). Or it can be–just like most things worth doing–a challenge, something you have to learn, practice, work at. But I’m convinced that almost everybody who wants to can breastfeed, at least to some extent, given the help and support and encouragement and CORRECT INFORMATION they deserve.
Shame on you, Nurse.
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Man.. I’m glad not all nurses are like her.
Really, what’s wrong with just saying “Okay, I’ll get the Lactation consultant” instead of a rude comment. If Mom wants to breastfeed that’s an awesome thing. Especially at such a young age being conscious that its cheaper, very healthy and it also benefits Mom. Nothing wrong with that nurse, that should be praised. Formula is by no means evil or wrong, its just that no woman’s reasonable choice should be discouraged.
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Ha! I was 17 yrs old when I had my son and I breastfed him and it was the best thing ever! also how many 18 yr olds have the $ for formula?? This nurse is a moron and not thinking..Besides there is NO substitiute for breastmilk….its healthy for mom and baby
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I’m sure most of you have heard this from me before, but this kind of comment irks me to no end. I was 16 when my husband and I decided to have a baby, 17 when I delivered, and now our daughter is 26 months old and still happily nursing. We have enjoyed every minute of it and never had any problems (thank goodness!).
I was told by my original OB that I would never nurse because I was 16, and have since written her a nice long letter explaining how wrong she was about that (and many other things. ha).
Breastfeeding mothers, regardless of age, deserve and need all the encouragement possible from any health care provider. Unfortunately our society does not provide that encouragement, so at least the HCPs should. Young mothers especially need encouragement, because the kind of attitude this nurse has is very common in the general public.
I can’t even think straight I’m so upset by this comment.
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I’m very happy that I was able to breastfeed for 10 months, but I’m active-duty Navy, and stand a 12-hour watch, both days and nights. The stress of working for 12 hours, only getting to pump sporatically, getting only a few hours of sleep interrupted by being woken up to nurse every 3-4 hours was just too much for my body. When it got to the point that I was only pumping 4 ounces a day, even with herbs and everything else I could think of I really felt like my body wasn’t giving me a choice anymore.Formula is definitely inferior to breast milk; HOWEVER, for those for whom it is absolutely necessary, I’m still grateful for formulas that are superior to those even a decade ago. I do believe that unless there are medical indications, babies benefit when mothers at least attempt to feed them natural milk, but part of responsible parenting is about keeping all options open, being informed, and doing what is best for YOUR baby, YOUR body and YOUR family.
I really like how you worded that. It is really about being informed and making the best possible decision. I’m going to have to remember that so I can say it should someone give me crap about my parenting for any reason
even if its not how I feed my kid!
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Oh, nurse? Thank you for the implied admission that YOU were a failure, I’m happy to agree with you if you want to go that route, although it’s more accurate to say the system probably failed you when you needed support… just like you’re failing me now. How lovely, a self-perpetuating cycle.
I personally choose to ignore your bad advice and succeed at feeding my baby with my own milk. It’s what my boobs were put there for in the first place. They certainly weren’t put there for filling out lingerie – babies have been around since the dawn of time, whereas Victoria’s Secret has only existed for a few decades.
Take the formula sample you’re handing me and use it as coffee creamer or something. Sure, it tastes yucky, but if you won’t drink it, why would you force it on a baby?
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When the nurse brought in my oldest for the first time, I started to take my arm out of my nightgown and the nurse asked “what I was doing”. Well, that’s a dumb question, I thought. “Well, to nurse my baby, of course.” They had me down as bottle feeding, without even asking me! Now, this was the early 60s, when breast feeding was not as common as it is now. She glanced at the chart, and then said “Oh, you’re Dr. Kelly’s patient. Most of his ladies breastfeed.” Never had any problem.
Oh funny story. When I delivered my second child, I could hear that the woman in the next room was in some sort of distress. I hopped out of bed, and poked my head in the door. The young mother was in tears, running an icy cold bottle under the spigot to warm it up some; her son – obviously – refused it. I closed the door, held out my arms, and took her baby. I nursed both her child and mine for several days (this was back when you could stay in the hospital for for five days instead of being shoved out the door) until the nurses caught me at it and raised cain. Turned out she lived not far from me, and we stayed friends for a long time.
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Unfortunately I had a similar experience.
I was 16 when I gave birth, and going into deeper detail, was raped and decided to keep my son(I had no choice to abort as I found out at 27 weeks..)
In fact, I can remember what the matron on the postnatal ward said to me when I asked for help with breastfeeding my son(for the second time, I was having problems getting him latched on). “Well, all you teenage, single mothers are useless, I’ll go get some formula milk now, so you don’t have to bother with doing it, it’s the easiest way out for the lazy ones.”
This is after I asked for help
She also barked at me “where’s your partner?” and when I explained I didn’t have one, she laughed and said “that’s a surprise” ![]()
Ended up with a lot of tears, a lot of stress and me ending up never getting the help I needed, I stopped breast feeding after 10 days, and I’m pretty sure it was half the cause of my terrible PND.
I can still remember the way she threw the bottle at me too. I put in a complaint to the hospital and never got anything from it.
Many midwives are so judgemental about young mothers, it’s ridiculous, and I felt such a failure.
I just had to share my experience, some midwives are just nasty and horrible.
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Wow… just wow…
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