Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“Stop Moving Away From The Doctor!”
“Stop moving away from the doctor!” -Nurse to mother who had asked the doctor to stop the cervical exam and was trying to move out of position.
Again, remove the hospital setting and medical titles, and this nurse would be an accomplice to sexual assault.
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I know I’m echoing what other people said, but this is a case of sexual assault.
And please don’t say that the information the doc needed was vital. This sickens me.
OP, please report this ‘doc’ to the board of the hospital, the Joint Commissions and the Birth Survey. Probably nothing will be done, but it will be noted.
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Leaving the doctor totally out of this for my comment.. there is only so many times you can comment on how bad something is.
OP, I’m so sorry. What was the doctor trying to do… just check dialation? I completely know how you feel in terms of feeling violated. With my first birth the doctor attempted to manually dialate me without telling me when I thought it was just a routine dialation check. I was crawling backwards on the bed and yelling at her to stop and saying that it hurt. She never did and never even acknowledged me after. She simply turned to the nurse and said “I just tried to manually dialate her, that should jump start things.”
Just in case this is your first experience and you haven’t had another baby yet, not all doctors are like this. My new OB actually expressed shock when I told him that I was manually dialated without being told and the doctor didn’t stop when I yelled to stop several times. I told him about it because I wanted to know that he would listen to me and tell me what he was going to do first so I could say yes or no. There’s good ones out there!
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I’m sure the (totally unnecessary) check to see ‘how you’re progressing!’ was done as part of a routine procedure (not saying it’s right, but just something they like to do to prove you can’t go into labor on your own if you’re not dilated to three cm by 38 weeks). I think even more upsetting is the nurse’s reaction, which is like a mother scolding a child. Unreal. They use the nurses to justify their actions and do the dirty work of interacting with the patient when the doctor is afraid to or can’t face her because he knows what he’s doing is wrong.
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Cmat Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 7:30 am (Quote)
This is an old story from when my mother-in-law gave birth to my husband (so almost 31 years ago). The doctor was pressing so hard on her abdomen to massage the placenta out that it hurt. So my she grabbed the doctor’s hand and said “stop that, it hurts” and she said the nurse gave her a look that could kill and said “Do NOT touch the doctor.”
Luckily no matter how much I didn’t like my nurse at my son’s birth, she didn’t do anything like that. She just seemed busy, distracted and overworked. Another nurse I had told me they were so busy that night/day so I guess its explained.
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Mama Wears Combat Boots Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 8:52 am (Quote)
Deranged Housewife, Excactly. Love your comment about doctors using nurses to do the dirty work of ‘interacting’. Gee how awful doc that you might have to actually listen/talk to the person you are examining.
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I was actually pretty much screaming at him to stop while sobbing and trying to leap off the bed. Yes it was the usual “see how you’re doing” check. This birth was a nightmare but “pretty good” as far as hospital births go. It has taken me 5 1/2 years to realize that things that happened were not ok and were not my fault.
My next birth was very different. I was flinching a little as the doc was trying to get ready to stitch. She was wonderful and very cheerily chuckled and asked me to try not to move while she was holding a big needle (LOL) However, I will still never have another hospital birth due to “hospital policy” things that I could go on about forever. If my current OB would come hang out on my couch while I home-birthed I would glady have her attend!
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Heather P Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 10:50 am (Quote)
That’s awful Maria. I’m so sorry that you were treated this way.
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Cmat Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 10:54 am (Quote)
Glad you realized it wasn’t you, it was them.
Good luck with your home births!
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qtberryhead Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 1:12 pm (Quote)
Maria–I had one of those “pretty good” hospital births too. Somehow that knowledge didn’t help me reconcile the feelings of being violated. It’s almost 17 years later and I could still become a weepy mess talking about the experience. Each woman has a different threshold of privacy and personal space, and that helps dictate what contributes to a “pretty good” birth or a “traumatic” one. I think the fact that this example was related to something that was not needed only makes it worse.
I delivered my second at home for the same “hospital policy” reason…totally worth it! Things went great, and it helped me recover from some of the trauma and violation I felt from the first one. Good luck!
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I find the nurse’s comments just as disturbing as the doctor’s actions.
Cervical checks for dilation are really useless and once a mother says no to whatever procedure the doctor should not continue.
I’m sure the nurse heard Maria say this and for him/her to support the doctor’s assault is just as bad as being the one assaulting.
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“Eh, would the folks who are not sure about this comment feel differently if it were unwanted VE, amniotomy, cord traction, early cord cutting (or failure to collect cord blood), episiotomy, sedatives/pain killers, pitocin in non-emergency situation, tugging on the baby, cesarean section, giving vitamin K/eye drops/formula or sugar water or a pacifier to the baby particularly if wishes are already clearly known, circumcision, husband stitch, birth control shot or tubal ligation, or tossing out her placenta when she wanted to save it.. ?
Dear doctor,
If it isn’t wanted, a woman is saying or more accurately usually yelling at you NO – Don’t that hurts – Stop doing that – Quit doing that – DO NOT DO “insert action” – or – I do not consent! (or it is something you had to obtain consent for, or a woman provided explicit instructions and this isn’t a dire emergency), and they are still cognitively aware enough aka not unconscious or bleeding to death or the baby isn’t in extreme dire distress or it’s something entirely optional that she DECLINED.. if you can, which you probably almost always can, if appropriate you STOP what you’re doing and explain why it is either A. necessary or B. a good idea. and perhaps or perhaps do not obtain consent. If you do not obtain consent, you STOP and either plead your case if necessary – without badgering/insulting – or you move on if the situation is fitting. If it’s something optional, you either already know her wishes, or need to approach her at a different time about it.
You don’t just keep doing what you’re doing and yell back “It’s better this way/for your own good” (Or in this case “Stop moving away from the doctor!”(which screams of paternalism and outright assault) regardless of whether or not you honestly believe what you’re doing is a good idea or necessary.
Next time. Use informed CONSENT, all the way! Okay?
I’m somewhat copy-pasting my reply to “I’m Doing This For Your Own Good” because it is for the most part very appropriate to this reply, too.
Seriously. Docs. Nurses. NO MEANS NO! Didn’t your mothers teach you this?!
Course maybe this doc would find this comment said to me humorous “No, no doesn’t mean no. No means give her a roofie!”.
Seriously, medical professionals, get a grip.
I am sorry for your experience, OP.
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How terrible for Momma. As a homebirth midwife, I just don’t understand how docs can keep getting away with this. In our practice, we ask clients if they would like an exam, give pros and cons, etc. When they do choose to have one, we try to be so gentle. I always tell ladies what I’m doing move for move and ask them to tell me if I’m making them uncomfortable or if the exam hurts. I can NOT imagine continuing after a mom has said “Stop, ouch, it hurts, get out of me, no more” etc. It’s so crazy.
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Any Dr worth a damn should immediately realize their patient is in distress and stop the exam and ask their patient how they are feeling. During my last labor a nurse came in to check me and I was mid contraction with my eyes closed and she stuck her hand in me. I sat up pulled her arm out and threw it away from me. I was appalled that she would just shove her hand into me without so much as a word. It literally makes me sick that medical professionals think this kind of thing is okay.
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Wendy Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 8:02 pm (Quote)
You mean it’s NOT OK to feel entitled to access a woman’s crotch at any time without warning? Well golly gee…
Good for you for how you handled that!
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Sarah from Mindful Birth Options Reply:
August 20th, 2010 at 8:10 pm (Quote)
Yeah I have this weird thing where I like people to ask me before they stick things into the most intimate part of my body. Silly me.
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But she is entirely IN HER RIGHT to move away from the doctor!
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