Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“I Don’t Think Those Pains Are Contractions…”
“I don’t think those pains are contractions, they’re not showing up on the monitor.” -L&D nurse to a mother who gave birth shortly after this statement.
I love how medical professionals think that equipment knows better than a mother. Like when my water had been gushing like a water balloon every time I stood up, yet they were “checking to see” if it “really broke.” I’m like, if my water didn’t break, I have a serious medical problem!
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Kayla Reply:
June 27th, 2010 at 9:13 am (Quote)
I’m sitting in the hospital for the next two weeks and I’ve been here for a week. My OB sent me here because he could feel me having contractions during my exam. The machine never picks them up though. I suggested several times that maybe the monitor is not tight enough because I am only 30 weeks in. They just keep coming up with more excuses as to what the feeling could be. It might just be the baby balling up or it could be braxton hicks contractions (even though I can feel them in my back). It is my body, I can feel what is going on, I’m pretty sure I know more than a computer. This annoys me to no end.
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This makes me laugh not because its funny, but because they tried to brush off my contractions too. I started having them around 36 weeks and they were a bit intense though they were spread out. Since it was my first kid, this worried me. All they did was say “Oh its too early for you to be having contractions, most new mothers go past their due date.” Well not me! I had my son at 38 weeks.
Its annoying that they rely on machines instead of what the mother is feeling and her body language. I always love those comments “I don’t need to check you, I can tell where you’re at.” Its so true, with a little observation you can get so much information!
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Brenda Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 1:05 pm (Quote)
“Its annoying that they rely on machines instead of what the mother is feeling and her body language. I always love those comments “I don’t need to check you, I can tell where you’re at.” Its so true, with a little observation you can get so much information!”
This. I was in transition and the nurses didn’t believe it because apparently I wasn’t dilated enough and still had hours to go. Gave birth shortly thereafter. A little observation on their part would’ve gone a long way.
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Susan Reply:
June 12th, 2010 at 1:00 am (Quote)
Yes! I think my birth centre birth would’ve been better had the mw just observed me and not told me it would a long haul because she checked me at 3cm. Had she observed me, truly observed me, she would’ve seen that I was entering transition and wouldn’t have been surprised that I was pushing a little over an hour later. My homebirth midwives were content to just watch me and weren’t surprised at all when I started pushing within 30 minutes of them arriving.
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I never got that stupid belt to stay on me correctly, so heaven only knows what it would pick up. I’d say, ‘That was a strong one,’ and the midwife with her hand on my abdomen would say, “Yep,” whereas the machine said there was nothing at all.
So….the stupid belt’s fault? or no contraction whatsoever? Hmm.
And then once the monitor is on, they start treating the monitor rather than the mom. THey walk in, look at the monitor, look at the chart, say “Everything looks good” and walk out again.
(On the other side of the spectrum, during my one induction, the midwife came tearing into the room in a panic, and I looked up from the book I was reading, and my husband looked up from the book he was reading, and she skidded to a stop, then looked at me, looked at the monitor, looked back at me, and then said, ‘You’re a lot calmer than I thought you would be.”
Apparently the monitor was telling her I was having contractions enough to deliver the moon, and I was sitting in bed stupidly thinking I was experiencing no pain whatsoever. LOL!
(No dilation was taking place. I guess the uterus was just….flexing? No clue.)
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Angela Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 1:12 pm (Quote)
“Apparently the monitor was telling her I was having contractions enough to deliver the moon, and I was sitting in bed stupidly thinking I was experiencing no pain whatsoever.”
I just can’t stop giggling at this.
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Cmat Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 1:32 pm (Quote)
They couldn’t get the belts to stay on very well for me either. Or rather, baby was evading the belt that was supposed to monitor him. The nurse was freaking out about it while I just sat there thinking “um, the baby is kicking, I can feel him moving.. calm down honey.”
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w/ my 2nd, the doc told me i was too happy to be in labor for real and that my contractions weren’t following any kind of pattern, so they might send me home. i told him my water had broken, so he couldn’t. it took a few more hours, but i laughed and talked and joked the whole time, even during transition, and my contractions never got regular, but my baby was born that morning. women really do know their bodies and it annoys me when docs think they know better just b/c they have a medical degree.
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It’s as though the monitor’s supposed to have the baby, the mother is just there as an afterthought. So what would a computer give birth to when it’s ready, anyway? A miniature Casio calculator? A Blackberry with a built-in PDR?
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In all fairness sometimes women who are tired of being pregnant fake contractions to try to be admitted and induced when it’s not necessary.
This is when a little palpation and observation goes a long way!
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The ONE thing the monitor did for me was help my husband support me. He was clueless about birth at the time, but he loves computers. So he would watch it like a hawk, and as soon as it started going up, he would remind me to take a deep breath, and then he’d turn to me and support me through the contraction, while keeping an eye on the monitor. That way, as soon as it peaked, he would tell me, so I would know the worst was over. This was an induction, so it was hard. But I enjoyed my home births much more.
**I do not condone routine use of monitors. I am just sharing a story!**
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This one is mine – My water had broke that morning at 31 weeks (and yes, they had to do their swab to make sure it was really amniotic fluid). First time mom, only 23, so obviously I can’t tell pain that comes in timeable waves from… uh… anything? So I’m telling them I’m contracting, their machine that goes Ping! isn’t picking them up, so they give me a little beeper thing that I’m supposed to click at the start and stop of every “contraction”. Only the beeper doesn’t work, either, and by the time they get that sorted out I’m no longer able to lie still through them and have to sit up (which they scolded me for, I’m supposed to be keeping all pressure off my cervix), shortly thereafter I throw up, and whaddya know! I’m almost completely dilated! My son was born about an hour later and left the NICU 5 weeks after that in perfect health
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Jane Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 9:52 am (Quote)
Good grief.
THey did the same thing with me with the clicker too, and the clicker didn’t work for me either. I wonder if they just give the mom that so she’ll have something to do.
I’m not a L&D nurse, but let’s take a little test:
“Your patient has a confirmed rupture of the membranes and complains of uterine pain and pressure every three and a half minutes. Choose the most likely answer:
a) uterine contractions due to labor
b) a previously undiagnosed inflamed appendix
c) a head cold
d) a broken toe
Well? How did everybody do?
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Cmat Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 11:55 am (Quote)
Lol I love your little test Jane.
Lisa- they did the same strip test with me at 38 weeks when I didn’t want to walk because the gush gush feeling was SO uncomfortable (from the lobby, up 3 floors to where the birth center was). Because the gushing isn’t uncomfy enough, I have to spread ‘em so they can test it and make sure I didn’t pee myself until I soaked myself. I’m glad your little one did so well!
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Michelle Potter Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 4:25 pm (Quote)
Sadly, I actually did pee all over myself and think my water broke when I was pregnant with my second. Then, when my water broke during labor, I had to ask if that was it or if I’d peed again. The two experiences honestly felt exactly the same.
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VW Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 6:12 pm (Quote)
I did too. I was in so much pain from back spasms (not labor) that I lost control of my bladder, but I wasn’t sure that’s what it was. I felt terrible when my midwife picked up the soaked towel and sniffed it and confirmed pee…
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Cmat Reply:
June 12th, 2010 at 7:14 am (Quote)
Michelle- you are so right, it does feel like you’re just peeing yourself! The only reason I knew that was not it for me was because I had gone to the bathroom before taking a shower as a comfort measure before heading to the hospital.
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Suzanne Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 1:14 pm (Quote)
My midwife actually told me with the last pregnancy, that there is a double layer to the bag of waters, and sometimes fluid gets in between, and just the outer layer can break, but since it doesn’t have the baby pee it doesn’t make the strip test positive. Apparently a lot of women are told they just peed themselves, when the outer layer actually did break (though this is obviously not always the case, VW). The whole double break thing did happen to me with my last birth, though we knew it was the water breaking both times, an confirmed the double layering of fluid after the birth.
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Sarah Dorrance-Minch Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 8:21 pm (Quote)
Head cold. Definitely a head cold. The contractions are coming from regularly timed sneezes…
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Kate, Ren's Mama Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 11:10 am (Quote)
Jane – love the quiz, but I think the answer most of the “care” providers on this site would pick is not listed:
e) Mama is delusional
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Alison Reply:
June 13th, 2010 at 5:09 am (Quote)
“Only the beeper doesn’t work, either, and by the time they get that sorted out I’m no longer able to lie still through them and have to sit up (which they scolded me for, I’m supposed to be keeping all pressure off my cervix)”
But isn’t lying down the most effective way to dilate a cervix? I would think they’d want you up and jumping around since that’s the opposite of what they want laboring women to do.
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Granola you are so right. There have been times I’ve had to physically stay at the bedside for 20-30 minutes palpating contractions to gather information about the contractions so I could report to the physician or before increasing Pitocin prior to placement of an IUPC. Palpation is almost a lost art in this computer age. If a woman is sitting up straight, the best location for the tocodynameter and transducer, AKA: monitor is at the top of her abdoman. The ledge we all develop. I’ve had the most success there.
PS….I had a woman deliver with contractions q 5 minutes. She had several children. Prior to that I wouldn’t have believed the powers (force) of the contractions would give us a baby. Haven’t seen it since. I’ve learned anything is possible.
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Brige Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 11:02 am (Quote)
I completely agree that patient interaction is a lost art… Drs/Nurses are taught how to read output from machines and usually have no experience doing anything without them… I mean god forbid you have to deliver a baby without technology… what will happen then? It worries me, because things like, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters happen, and well… how long until it becomes a complete lost art? I’m always also confounded at how people discredit home birth midwives abilities to observe normal labor and to KNOW the signs of when things may be starting to head down hill… why a nurse coming in once an hour or more has in anyways a better grasp on the well being of a woman in labor or what is truly going on…
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Jane, you needed to include she has beads of sweat on her upper lip and she is irritable, B/P is rising along with moving about the bed frequently trying to get comfortable. I’d like to think all of you had new, inexperienced nurses versus an oldtimer. Jane, if anyone breaks into your house, you don’t need a gun, just use that sharp tongue of yours. You’ll verbally anilate(sp) the intruder. LOL/ smart***
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Cmat Reply:
June 11th, 2010 at 11:59 am (Quote)
Between your comment and Jane’s test it has me giggling because of a scale they showed to us at OMC’s birthing class. It was supposed to be a pain scale to describe to us (and our husbands) how we might feel at certain parts of labor. It was very similar to the faces pain scale, but was geared towards excitment at the beginning, then nervousness, then pain etc. A while into my labor before they stuck me on pitocin I was apparently “too happy for labor” and DH showed the chart to me and said “You should look like this by now.” Jokingly of course.
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Lisa, ,I am sorry you had this happen. I really wish nurses and doctors/midwives (not all midwives are good ones) would listen to women and not the machine.
I was told that I was not in labour either because once on the machine my contractions slowed right down, even though I had like 3 in 5 minutes while the nurse was setting up the machine (she believed me, it was the resident who didn’t) The funny thing was a couple minutes later he witnessed a contraction and in a panicky voice asked if I wanted an epidural (but I thought I wasn’t in labour!? lol)
I also had a friend, also a young first time mom, who was in labour and the midwife didn’t believe her because she (the midwife) wasn’t “feeling them in the right place” and tried to give mom a sleeping pill and I think Tylenol. Another midwife, hearing mom screaming in pain came to check and she was pretty much ready to push. The first midwife got in trouble for not believing mom just because her labour wasn’t “textbook” (this was in the UK, where most moms are under the care of midwives)
Just goes to show that care providers really need to look more at how the woman is acting than the machine, which is known to not be very reliable.
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I had something similar happen to me with my second. My husband called the midwife to tell her I was having contractions every 5 minutes and when I got on the phone she told me they werent real if I could talk through them but to go to the hospital just in case since her attending dr was on call. They hooked me up to the monitor and the nurse tells the dr “she says she’s having contractions but they’re not showing up on the monitor” To his credit he actually said it didnt matter what the monitor was saying, it only mattered if I was dilating. Aside from that the dr was a total @ss!
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Several years ago, I was called in to work on a very busy Saturday night. It was one of those nights that I ended up in every patient’s room and couldn’t tell you what my original patient/patient’s assignment was/were. Everyone was delivering or being sectioned. I was told at 2330pm to cover room 13. Her nurse was going to the OR with her other patient. My report was, she was 7cm. We normally give a better report than that, but it was that crazy. I walked down to the room, opened the door and lying on the bed is a very, very large woman in a pink tube top, a sheet covering her, flat on her back with oxygen on. This woman being flat on her back with O2 is an oxymoron. so, I mentally pushed up my sleves to turn her on her side. The turning on her side became just wedging on her side. The scalp electrode came off so I tried very hard to pick up heart tones with the external monitor. No go. i hate placing scalp electrodes inless the baby needs it. So I placed another scalp electrode. In the process, I found she was complete at a -2 station with absolutely no urge to push. She had an epidural that was more like a spinal. I explained she was complete but the baby was high and I was going to let her labor down before pushing, explaining what laboring down meant. I then click onto the computer to get to know my patient. It’s her first pregnancy, she has hypertension, gestational diabetes, obesity, and GBS+. Did I mention she had one of those summer colds. The deep congested sounding kind? Well, about this time, she coughed and I heard this sound. Now, I knew what the sound was, but I was in denial at that point. the patient said “I think there’s something between my legs”. You know the horror flicks where the person has to look under a sheet?, well, that was me. The baby not only had shot out like a bullet, but had made a 90 degree turn between her legs. He looked like a little fish that landed on a pier; arms and legs moving, mouth going, he was beautiful for a human cannon ball. Sadly, when I’m extremely upset I will fall short and say a curse word. So, the first word this little fella heard on a Sunday morning was “Oh S*@#”. The little guy went straight to the breast and like the little professional he was, immediately latched on. I delivered the placenta, gave her pitocin IM (our protocol) and had her cleaned up before the doctor arrived. The doctor said “what happened?” Before I could give a report, the patient piped up and said” Well it’s like this Doctor —–, I coughed and farted and the baby came out”. I could just shake my head in the affirmative motion. Never in a thousand years would I have thought a first time mother at a -2 station could deliver within 15 mins of me coming into the room. Mom and dad were estatic. I’m sure I have PTSD.
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I ALWAYS believe the mom…I don’t care if it turns out she is one cm or completely dilated. Only the MOM knows what her pain is like. I have seen so many deliveries where they go from zero to delivery in a few minutes.
I hear those stories about the nurse/MD not believing the woman….but I don’t understand it. I have nursed for 33 yrs and most of them have been L&D and I just don’t understand the need for the external monitoring other than doppler for a normal delivery.
Outcomes are shown to be no different than with all the machinery. So…why not make it simple for the mom? I tell the mom’s I look after : you are the queen of the room…just so there is no mistake….
btw Thea: that’s the kind of delivery I like to have! nice and simple!
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Having been in OB for a little over a year, I’ve learned quickly that, for unmedicated mom’s at least, it’s more accurate to judge where she is in labor by how she’s acting than by her exam. If she’s laboring like she’s in transition but her exam says she’s 4, she’s probably moving quick. I’ve seen moms go from closed to complete in an hour and a half in spontaneous labor and I’ve had to catch the head because the docs were moving too damn slow. (don’t even get me started on cytoblast, I mean cytotec)
But back to the OPs original topic. If that birdbrained nurse had any experience at all, she’d know that the first rule of nursing is “look at the patient, not the monitor.” Equipment isn’t foolproof, especially those contraction monitors. If they’re not lying flat against the skin, or they’re over a knee, or a butt, or they’ve flipped up, they aren’t going to pick up contractions. When there’s a discrepancy between what the monitor is telling you and what the mom is saying (and doing), lay your hand on her frickin belly and feel what it’s doing! (It also irritates the ever loving snot out of me when I read comments on here about contractions “not looking very strong” on an external monitor and mom’s birthing soon after; the external doesn’t show strength, and that should be common knowledge).
It’s not just an OB thing either. We’ve become waay to reliant on the machine that goes ping in healthcare. In short, OP, I’m sorry you fell victim to the ever increasing reliance on technology. Nurses as a whole would do well to remember that our most valuable tools are our eyes, ears, hands, hearts and brains. A little critical analysis never hurt anybody.
Sorry, this is a huge pet peeve of mine. It does such a disservice to the people we care for when we forget that we care for people, not machines.
Okay, rant over
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Jane Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 11:17 am (Quote)
{(It also irritates the ever loving snot out of me when I read comments on here about contractions “not looking very strong” on an external monitor and mom’s birthing soon after; the external doesn’t show strength, and that should be common knowledge).}
….what? No, really, what? Because every time they hitched me to the monitors, they’d look at how much of a peak the monitor showed and *the nurses* would say things about how that was a strong one or that wasn’t very strong at all.
If the belt doesn’t measure the tightening of the uterine muscles, what is it measuring? And if it is measuring tightening, wouldn’t it measure more tightness versus less? After all, the graph it outputs comes out as a slope, not an on/off thing. If it’s showing a gradual-up-gradual-down, then logically it’s measuring strength of contractions.
…no? And if it’s not, would you please go to The Green Hospital over in my previous city and tell everyone there?
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Birth Unplugged Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 11:43 am (Quote)
I’m not a medical expert, but I think external monitors can’t give an *accurate* measure of the strength of contractions because there is too much variation in what they pick up depending on the woman’s size, baby’s position, and placement of the belt–so how big the “hills” are on your graph could be different than they could be on mine, even if we were having the same strength of contractions, so though they might be able to see that one of your contractions appeared stronger than another (but not really, because it could change with your position, the belt slipping, etc), they can’t judge them against any standard of how strong they should be. An IUPC gives better information about the strength of contractions, but they’re more invasive and you don’t really need info on the strength on contractions unless it’s a pitocin/epidural situation. But the only reliable info an external contraction monitor gives is that a contraction is not happening, building, declining, then not happening again.
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another nurse Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:20 pm (Quote)
Exactly; because of all the independent variables (belt tightness, monitor placement, etc), externals can’t give an accurate measurement of strength. When you’re contracting, you’re exerting more force on the monitor then when you aren’t; the slope on the monitor strip is a measure of the relative change from baseline; it just shows when the contraction is happening. Now presumably, if you aren’t moving and baby isn’t moving and the contractions are showing up as different sizes you may be able to reasonably conclude that they’re different strengths, but I think that’s a stretch as movements can be so small as to be imperceptible, especially if you’re focusing on labor.
In short, yes, the monitor measures tightening of the uterine muscles, but in relative, not absolute, terms. Does that make sense?
It’s tricky to explain, but it’s literally one of the first things I learned as a labor nurse. I can’t believe there are experienced nurses out there who don’t know this, or who haven’t figured it out by palpating contractions. Of course that’s a lost skill when we break everybody’s water and shove in internals at 2cm, because who needs your hands when you have the machine that goes ping?
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another nurse Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:21 pm (Quote)
and send me an email address, and I’ll send the OB department at your hospital some basic fetal monitoring info.
I’m so not kidding.
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Jane Reply:
June 14th, 2010 at 2:37 pm (Quote)
Thanks for the explanation! It makes a lot of sense, especially because when I was in labor, whenever I complained that the monitor wasn’t picking up contractions, the nurses showed me which button to push to recalibrate the machine. :-b
I no longer live in the city with The Green Hospital, so I wouldn’t even know whom to send the information to.
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the telemtry monitor i had broke because i took it in the shower. the heart monitor worked, but the contraction monitor didn’t.
i loved my nurse because she said “you’re working hard and want it to register!!” lol but then again, I had friendly nurses who respected me.
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Right, because women are not human beings capable of feeling what’s going on inside of them. If a computer doesn’t confirm it, there’s no possible way it can be true! grrrrrrr
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