Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“What Would Happen If Her Uterus Came Out With It?”
“What would happen if her uterus came out with it?” -OB Resident to Attending while applying forceful cord traction 10 minutes after delivery in order to hasten the delivery of the placenta.
That’s exactly what I need to hear while I still have someone poking and prodding at my whooha after pushing a baby out…
Frankly, I laughed after reading that because the question is just goofy. It would NOT be funny if I had been on the receiving end of said procedure and hearing that.
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“Well, she could die from blood loss, so we’d have to do everything in our power to stop the bleeding, providing manual compression of her uterus while trying to reinsert it into her body, and possibly leading to a hysterectomy. But on the bright side, tugging on the cord might save us ten minutes! So, haul away!”
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Lori Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 4:26 pm (Quote)
THe OB that delivered my child tugged on the cord and my uterus came out.. I lost 25 % of my blood and was not given a blood transfusion. They said they put my uterus back, but they said in the midst of my screaming they were going to do a hysterectomy.. THat was 2 years ago and I’m trying to figure out what the best option is if I should keep it or not.
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Jane Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 4:28 pm (Quote)
Oh, how awful. I’m so sorry. Talk to an actual medical professional about all your options. I hope you also spoke to an attorney.
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Lori Reply:
October 13th, 2011 at 4:37 pm (Quote)
Unfortunately the way the system works in Canada is that there’s a board that protects the doctors here and it is impossible to sue them. I have an ultrasound appt in 2 wks to figure out the positioning of my uterus and my family physician is taking care of it rather than the OB. Once that is determined I have to decide on my own if I should keep it or not. I only have the 1 child
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Is it possible the resident was trying to gently let the attending know cord traction isn’t necessary? I hope it is. Really really hope it.
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Heather P Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 7:42 am (Quote)
I hope so too. I hope this resident went on to become a gentler care provider than his/her attending.
I’ve been on the receiving end of such forceful cord tugging. The OB put her whole body weight into the cord pulling. I thought my uterus was coming out but fortunately my placenta let go in time.
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I actually like this question, I mean yeah probably frightened the mother, but I’m guessing this is a resident and has freshly learned that an OB can in fact pull the uterus out while doing that, and hopefully it embarrassed the OB enough to maybe stop or rethink doing that. Forceful pulling on the cord to detach the placenta should be a REALLY BIG NO NO. This OB needs to learn more patience, hell, my placenta took 3 hours to come out!
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Lilly Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 8:22 am (Quote)
I agree. I’m hoping it made the OB stop the tugging and be patient (I highly doubt it though
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I hate the 15 minute rule on placentas. How many hours did it just take to get the baby out? You really the the placenta is going shoot out?! It can take 24+ hours for it to come out on it’s own, but you know OBs and “their” schedule…
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Elizabeth Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 8:42 am (Quote)
Yeah I know! WHen my sister had her first, I was like ok now it’s time for the placenta, this could take about half an hour, and then the OB said, yeah I hope not, and proceeded to give her a shot of pitocin. She had just had a completely natural unmedicated labor, came into the hospital at 9cm. The nurses made her hold off pushing for soooo long because they had to wait for the OB to come in from his office, so he wasn’t even there but for maybe a few minutes of her labor, yet he just HAD to speed up the placenta.
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Margarett the Midwife Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 9:53 am (Quote)
Well honey, time’s a wastin! They got things to do! GAG ME!!! and they wonder WHY would a women EVER choose a home birth, huh… It’s a mystery!!!
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janice banther Reply:
April 11th, 2010 at 8:57 am (Quote)
The WORSE case on this I have seen was a midwife pulling on the cord while telling the mother to push, push, push. Her uterus came out and had to be rushed to OR and had a hysterectomy after having a vaginal birth.
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In an older copy of Williams Obstetrics there is a pic of a mom who died from her uterus being turned inside out (placenta acreta I believe, book isn’t here) and the caption that this was the result of a home birth gone bad. What they don’t tell ya is that the woman was transported to the hospital alive and fine till the DOCTORS yanked and yanked till THEY did that!!!!!!!!!! But remember, the doc ALWAYS has your best interest at heart, the stories I could tell regarding botched doc “cures” and what happened afterward……
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This was mine, this happened after my completely unmedicated fast child birth of my second baby. For me this birth was a healing experience from my first son’s birth that was filled tons of interventions some needed some not. All went wonderfully well up until this point. The only reason the student and the resident were in the room was because the ob that was on call from my practice didn’t make it in time (I didn’t like him much anyways) he was in the hospital but they couldn’t find him and there was no stopping me from pushing other wise I wouldn’t have had them in the room to begin with once the ob got there he just sat in the corner of the room and watched them do their thing making random comments about other things. Had I have known they were pulling the cord like they were to get the placenta out I would have told them to stop but I didn’t realize they were doing it, I thought they were just waiting down there. Because of their impatience and pulling it out so forcefully it caused me to bleed very badly after it was out to the point where I had to have VERY painful uterine massages (it was the most painful part of the whole birth) because I was producing such large blood clots they also had to give me a shot of something to help the bleeding stop along with a pit drip all night long. Needless to say it was pretty scary along with hearing that to begin with it wasn’t too fun.
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I have seen this one time in 20 years and it was from an OB in the middle of the night in a hurry.
At the facility I work at, we have the 30 minute rule except with the very premature infants and we wait. I’ve never heard of waiting for 3 or 24 hours on a term placenta. I’d be interested in knowing more. Back to the patient I mentioned. It’s called inversion of the uterus (the uterus is now inside out and the area where the placenta was at, if it has detached, is exposed and bleeding and it is an Obstetrical emergency. As Jane mentioned, the uterus is forced back into the body with the MD’s fist at the site where the placenta was and his other hand is on the woman’s abd where the uterus is massaging in an attempt to get the uterus to clamp down and stop the bleeding otherwise we could end up in the OR doing a hysterectomy to save mom’s life. This young woman I spoke of didn’t have to have a hysterectomy but she certainly gave new meaning to the term, white girl and this was after several units of blood. I couldn’t say anything but the look I gave the MD said “I know your mama dropped you on your head when you were a baby.”
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I was the one who heard this. The Resident (female) was pulling the Med Student (female) asked the question. The idiot OB (male) was muttering in the corner.
I can tell you that I nearly passed out in the corner shortly after this. We, the poster Jen and I, lost a classmate in childbirth that was never fully explained other than “she bled out”.
I was terrified as I sat in the corner, watching the awesome L&D nurse weigh pads full of blood, that my best friend was dying, all because they had pulled on her son’s cord.
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The Med student was very smart and decided to approach the OB Resident from a question angle instead of confrontation. Some OBGYNs will just wait for that gush of blood and lengthening of the cord to assist a placenta that has given us signs of detaching. Others however,will apply steady traction on the cord. Most OBGYNs wait for the delivery of the placenta before giving pitocin. There is a growing group that will give pitocin prior to delivery of the placenta to cause the uterus to clamp down thus constricting blood vessels speeding release of the placenta and decrease the liklihood of post partum hemorrhage. Hemorrhage can be caused by several things like inversion of the uterus, laceration of the cervix or vagina, blood disorders involving clotting and then there’s “we have absolutely no idea why” group but anything like a placenta that gave us problems or a uterus goes directly to pathology. We are a superstitous group in that if we see a true fair skin woman with natural red hair, we all groan because it seems they always have those tiny baby viens and always bleed heavily or hemorrhage. There was no excuse for that happening with your OBGYN present. I am so sorry for the loss of your friend. Please tell me they took her to the OR to remove her uterus. I couldn’t have stayed in the room, God what a horrible memory.
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This happened to me after the birth of my son. My son was delivered and the cord was cut and my Dr began pulling on the cord. Twice I asked him if everything was ok because I could not understand why he was pulling. Exhausted from the birth I just trusted he knew what he was doing. Suddenly he said “we have a medical emergency and you have to push now” I pushed and remember thinking that it felt like an awful lot came out. My entire uterus came out inside out and was between my legs. My dr tried two times to manually push it back in with his fist. I screamed for him to stop. I literally felt like I was screaming for my life. I was rushed into emergency surgery my uterus put back in and was given blood transfusions. All of this because the dr couldn t wait for the placenta to detach on its own.
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GAMZu Reply:
May 13th, 2010 at 8:37 am (Quote)
OMG.
I’m so sorry about that.I had my cord yanked twice. Actually, it wasn’t yanking. The OB went in with her arm and removed the placenta.**shudder**
After that I had a homebirth. I hemorrhaged, but not badly enough to be transferred. Had this been in a hospital, with the yanking and all, I would have needed a transfusion for sure.
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SHELLY Reply:
May 25th, 2010 at 4:55 pm (Quote)
I HAD A NORMAL PREGNANY AND DELIVERY WITH MY ONLY CHILD, ONE MINUTE AFTER HE WAS BORN,THE DR. APPLIED SO MUCH TRACTION THAT HE PULLED MY UTERUS INTO MY VAGINALCAVITY,BUT NEVER CHECKED WITH A SPECULUM TO SEE WHY I WAS HEMORRHAGING. I HAD TOLD HIM IT FELT LIKE HE WAS RIPPING MY LEFT OVERY OUT AND HE SAID”SHELLY, I’M NOWHERE NEAR YOUR LEFT OVERY!”I WAS IN AGONY! I WAS WORKED ON FOR 4 HOURS AND GIVEN 28 UNITS OF BLOOD BEFORE I WAS TAKEN TO SURGERY. I HAD NO PULSE. I HAD AN EMERGENCY HYSTERECTOMY WITOUT ANESTETIC, BECAUSE OF MY BLOOD PRESSURE NOT REGISTERING. I WENT INTO D.I.C. WHICH IS WHERE YOUR CLOTTING FACTORS ARE ESSENTIALLY USED UP SO YOU BLEED OUT EVERYWHERE. AWFUL EXPERIENCE TO SAY THE LEAST. I THEN WAS IN ICU ON A VENTILATOR WITH FAILING KIDNEYS AND LIVER FOR A FEW WEEKS.EVENTHOUGH THEY TOLD MY HUSBAND THAT I ONLY HAD A 10% CHANCE TO SURVIVE, I LIVED. I CAN NOT HAVE CHILDREN AND HAVE HAD TO HAVE MANY OTHER SURGERIES ALL BECAUSE THE DOCTOR WAS HASTY AND DELIVERED MY PLANTA BY FORCE WITHIN ONE MINUTE OF DELIVERY. I ALSO GOT ADDICTED TO PAIN PILLS BECAUSE IWAS ON THEM SO LONG AND HAD TO GO TO TREATMENT, I HAD NEVER TAKEN A DRUG IN MY LIFE BEFORE THIS… ANY MEDICAL PEOPLE PLEASE DON’T DO THIS TO ANYONE IT HAS BEEN SO HARD FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
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I am so happy I found this blog, I had my daughter four years ago. Minutes after I had my daughter the doctor delivered my placenta. About 5 minutes after that, I started seeing spots and my vision started to fade in an out. When I asked the doctor about the spots he said it was due to my hormone levels dropping and it would pass. About 15 minutes later my friend went screaming for help because I was gushing blood onto the floor and fading away. A nurse came back in the room and started yelling for help saying that I was coding, she got on my stomach and put her knees on me to stop the bleeding. The doctor came back in with more nurses who pumped me full of pitocin. First my doctor told me that I had an incompetent uterus. My husband and I were really afraid to try and have another, neither of us want to risk my death due to an incompetent uterus. I called my Dr. to ask his opinion on if we should try for another and I thought it was interesting when he got on the phone after reviewing my chart he said that I had a random case of uterine acne and it shouldn’t happen again. I went to web md to see what uterine acne was only to find nothing. When I googled my situation, I found this discussion thread to be eerily similar to my experience. It makes me want to cry, he almost killed me.
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Jamie,
What you described sounds a lot like a Post Partum Hemorrhage due to uterine atony. The uterus doesn’t contract down after delivery of the placenta. The area where the placenta was is now open and bleeding from blood vessels exposed. Uterine atony can occur without the uterus coming out. Your doctor called it random meaning we don’t know why it happened, it just did. Sometimes this can occur due to being induced for several days and the uterus has contracted so much that come delivery it’s worn out. Then there are the red haired, fair skin women that for some reason seem to bleed more than other women or it can be from a cervical laceration. It could also be from an inverted uterus (uterus comes out of the body turned inside out) as described with this thread but I honestly don’t think this is what happened to you because an inverted uterus occurs with the placenta, the OB would have had his whole arm and fist in your uterus putting it back into your body. I’m sure there are many other reasons for a PPH I’m unaware of. It seems to me from what you described you had a PPH and came close to needing to have CPR from loss of blood. Thank God for good friends that can run and scream. Your nurse was wise to call for help; the more people in an emergency the better. No wonder you and your husband were afraid to try again. That had to have been the scariest moment in your lives. Jamie, you can request a copy of your medical record from the hospital to review the notes for a more comprehensive idea of what happened. This is a great site for women. It is educational and the women are very supportive of each other. I also recommend the site “Childbirth Connections.” Best of luck to you and your husband. On a last note, Please see that with your next baby your OB is aware of your PPH so they will be more watchful of you at delivery.
Thea
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Hey there,
I have personal experience with this. Being a mother of 7 I have had this happen on numerous occasions. It happened at my 4th birth.
What happens is the ligamnets supporting the uterus relax, from relaxin, and allow the uterus to slip out of the birth canal and can be seen at the vaginal opening.
I just attended a birth of a paragravida, 3rd, and her uterus came down. I had thought it was placenta retention, but the doctor explained it was the uterus. He actualy clamped it as he worked on stiching.
The realy down side is the ligament pain after birth as you uterus is pulled back up into the abdomen. It’s worse than labor since it feels the same, only nothing like a baby is comeing out.
I deliver 100% natural w/ no drugs, IV’s, heprin/saline lock, pitocin at the end, etc. So get to feel it all.
Hemoraging is due to the blood vessels in the uterus not closing, due to the shrinking of the uterus. Palpating the uteerus, pitocin, and breast feeding (inducing oxitocin a natural form of pitocin) all help reduce hemoraging.
Doctors can only detach the placenta so fast. It’s not an organ that just rips off. They tug slowly as it is released by the uterus, usualy 10-30min. A doctor will pull, clamp, pull, clamp as it comes out. Also helping it not to go back in and keep the blood from coming out. It does help if a mom requests for the cord to stop pulsating before being cut.
Take care,
~Fern <
birth doula
mom to 7
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Well, a lot of things come to mind, but none of them are particularly clinical.
Was this a teaching hospital? Because those are known for their performance of unnecessary procedures in the name of “education”, with the mothers as unknowing guinea pigs.
My first was at a teaching hospital (which I fount out afterward). That might explain a few things.
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