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Posted by My OB said WHAT?!?.
“…The Baby Looks Like Something Out of Alien…”
“Delivering en caul has no benefits to either mother or baby, and its pretty icky to look at! The baby looks like something out of Alien! So, I always artificially rupture the membranes (AROM) if they have not broken on their own.” – CNM in a hospital
I had my last one in the caul on my side because the OB knew not to break the water on an OP baby…THANK GOD. She turned at the last moment and came out with an intact bag at least to her waist…maybe further. It was a blessings because though they made me push so long she had no cone head.
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Obviously, cosmetics are a very lame reason for breaking the bag, but I’ve always thought that breaking the water at the last minute was a precaution in case there was thick mec that needed to be suctioned on the perineum. In fact, at home births I’ve seen midwives break it a little earlier than the last possible second, so we could transfer for mec if needed.
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The only reason I can really think to break the bag before the head is born is because sometimes the membranes are really tough and hard to remove from the baby’s face if they aren’t broken nearby. Two births I’ve attended as an apprentice the midwife and I have struggled to break through very tough membranes as baby is being born. We got them off though. And I thought it looked really cool.
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Caren, I was at a birth were the mom had SROM 40 hrs prior to birth, and yet we were still suprised by mec after the head was born–the head acted as a cork and held the mec back.
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My HBAC baby came out en caul, and he was a nice “big one”! A tad over 10 lbs in fact, no sugar issues. My father was also a 10 lb baby. It did make it easier by far. AROM is yet another commonplace intervention that is there because people who didn’t know any better “have always done it this way”, like many obstetric traditions, such as lithotomy position, etc etc. It increases the pain dramatically, and thereby raises “compliance” when epidurals might have been resisted otherwise. Besides, it increases the risk of malpresentation and infection, both of which increase revenues to hospitals for surgeries and NICU stays. So why would they quit? Crime pays for them.
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breaking the water doesn’t always help with dignosing MecAsp. My first was born with clear fluids when my water broke, no mec show during crowing/birthing, no mec on the baby, no mec in the afterbirth or visible in/on the placenta. Yet he had a severe MecAsp which required (among other things) 3 plus weeks of breathing intervention and ECMO.
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Breaking the waters won’t reduce the risk of mec aspiration. It’s been drinking it for weeks anyway, and the intact baag is a sterile environment. When the waters go, it is only the forewaters anyway- the little bubble in front of the head. The rest is held behind the baby, leaking with each contraction, but is only released as the baby is born. We don’t routinely suck anyway- there is a risk that the vocal cords will spasm if you do. Our baby resus guidelines actually say that unless there is mec you can easily extract, either with suction or a finger, then just get on any bag the baby. It is better to get the baby breathing, and worry about aspiration later than to waste time suctioning a flat baby. If there is GBS, then the danger has occurred before the baby is born, because it has been smeared with it during descent. Where and how it takes its first breath won’t affect things. If it is going to be infected the major route is through the skin anyway, via a trauma during birth. GBS lives quite happily in our throats and on our skin, and it is transient. Sometimes it’s there and sometimes not. Occasionally it gets a fit in its head and gives you tonsillitis, but it isn’t a real nightmare until it gets into your blood.
On a different note, people born en caul will never die at sea, so the legend goes. They will also have the gift of second sight. Long ago, sailors would carry talismans made of membrane to protect them.
Andy
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Kathy Reply:
December 4th, 2009 at 4:51 am (Quote)
In Charles Dickens’ “David Copperfield,” David was born in the caul. I think the superstition about not drowning extended to whomever owned or had the caul. “David” relates that the caul was sold to a woman who had a fear of drowning, and, sure enough, she never drowned. Of course, she never went to sea, either…
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I don’t think it should be done routinely, but…
My second baby was almost born en caul. As the forebag (itself the size of the baby’s head) was out, my midwife (CPM) had a flash of intuition that she should break it. Good thing she listened to that… Baby had the cord around her neck and both shoulders. I think she mistook her placenta for a backpack!
… So I can’t say I’m entirely against it, either.
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Michelle Potter Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 5:45 pm (Quote)
Can I ask… what does breaking the water have to do with the cord being around the baby’s neck and shoulders?
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Kat Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm (Quote)
Depending on how the cord was wrapped, the midwife might need to un-tangle it to allow the baby to descend safely. Can’t do that inside the bag!
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WellBegun Reply:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:19 pm (Quote)
Exactly. Thanks, Kat! In that particular case (not advocating for it as a routine measure), it was a good thing. I just strongly believe that in birth there’s a lot of room to apply common sense. I’m not saying it should be the only tool, but I’ve also seen intuition used to good effect in birth – occasionally by the midwife, but more often (and, I believe more importantly) by mom. Sometomes that intuition calls for an intervention at which birth “purists” might turn up their noses, but that’s where the common sense piece can play a role.
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Yes, even though AROM has no significant health benefits, and in some cases can increase infection risk, we ALWAYS do it. We don’t want these poor doctors, midwives, or nurses to be inconvenienced and grossed out by having to witness a normal biological function proceeding normally!
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